What, him worry?

So a few decades back, I started to participate in the local computer bulletin board (or BBS) scene. This is what we had before general qccess to the internet, and an alternative to larger commercial enterprises like Prodigy, Compuserve, and AOL. Hobbyists would set up BBS software on their own computers, and with a dedicated phone line or two to allow users to dial in with their own computers and modems to participate in message boards, play games, download the “warez,” what have you.

It was a fun activity and a creative outlet, and on at least one of these BBSes I ran a dedicated section for comics discussion. This was very early in my comics retail career (or “career”) and several folks on these BBSes were, in fact, customers of mine. It was usually a fun, friendly endeavor and I’m still friends with a number of people from then to this day.

And I say “usually” because there was this one guy — isn’t there always — who was a real fly in the ointment. Going by the appropriate name of “Bozo” (appropriate not in the Larry Harmon way, but in the more derogatory sense), this person would rant and cajole and insult with misspelled screeds and usually unwarranted venom. Hostile and homophobic, it was a wonder to me why he spent his time doing this in paces where folks were just trying to have a little fun and relax. (It was also a wonder to me, in retrospect, why he wasn’t immediately kicked off these BBSes…perhaps he was from some, but he certainly seemed to be around a lot.) I tangled with him once or twice, and quickly realized both the futility of this and that this was exactly what he wanted, so I stopped.

This outsized toxic personality had me wondering…just who was this guy? And it wasn’t like today, where some jerk can pop up out of nowhere and he’s, like, on the other side of the world from you. This was probably someone at least relatively nearby, calling into the boards to wreak his havoc. I pictured some cranky dude in his 40s (I was in my 20s at the time) in his stained t-shirt banging at his keyboard surrounded by empty cans of whatever his poison of choice may have been, smoker’s-cough laughing at his latest bon mots.

One thing about these being local BBSes is that there would occasionally be in-person gatherings, at a park or bowling alley or places like that, where we meet face-to-face instead of just typing words at each other. And it was at one of these gatherings that “Bozo” turned up.

And what surprised me was that…he was about my age, possibly younger. A handsome guy, appeared to be completely congenial in person, even perhaps a little sheepish to stand revealed as “that guy.” Though I was a relative newcomer to the BBS scene compared to many of the others at these gatherings, and they seemed to be familiar if not friendly with the fella. As if it were necessary to have a “troll” on the BBSes and this was they guy who happened to take up the job, and, y’know, no hard feelings.

I never did get any actual insight into what “Bozo” thought he was doing, whether this was some form of extended performance art or if he actually bought into all the madness he was spouting. Anyway, it didn’t matter because by the mid-late-ish ’90s the local BBS scene had largely collapsed, as the internet began to expand access and lured users away. And “Bozo” because an artifact of the past, a weird memory from a mostly positive pastime.

But then I was on the internet, where there were plenty more “Bozos” to be had.

I was not a Usenet guy, the message exchange system that primarily dominated early internet usage before the advent of the World Wide Web, but yes, I know trolling was a problem there too. And of course there were all the dedicated message boards on the Web, with their own problematic trolls, but I mostly avoided those as well. But I didn’t really peronally encounter trolling again until blogs began to really be a thing. Especially after I started my own blog.

To be fair, I haven’t had to deal with many over the couple of decades of doing this site. There are the occasional drive-by commenters, who only turn up once to say something insulting to me because they disagreed with whatever. I had a couple of recurring trolls (one of which followed me over from the old Fanboy Rampage blog) who would shout nonsense in my comments sections ’til they tired of it, or I blocked them. I still have one dude who pops up whenever I suggest that maybe people who aren’t white and straight should be treated as humans, to tell me the error of my ways.

But “jerks is jerks,” I guess, and running a site that allows public commenting is alas opening a door for people to do this sort of thing, and that’s just the price paid.

And, hoo boy, there’s social media of course, which is just a madhouse filled with confirmed social deviants just itching to pile abuse onto someone who made the mistake of being, say, a woman. Little different from “Bozo,” they just cast out their hooks and see who they can catch.

A slight variation I’ve encountered more recently on the usual trolling is “the super fan,” someone who is extremely possessive of their specific obsession. So much so, that someone else discussing that obsession in a way they don’t personally approve of is to be attacked and diminished in favor of their superior perspective.

One example that continually amuses me is when blogging brother Andrew and I were on Xwitter discussing (WARNING: old people video game references incoming) Coleco’s game releases for the Atari 2600. We’d referenced the fact that many of these games were ports from the more advanced Colecovision, and by pure necessity had to be downgraded to be able to perform on the 2600’s older hardware.

We weren’t denigrating Coleco for this, we weren’t cast aspersions on the people who made these games…we were simply acknowledging the literally undeniable fact that the 2600 games had to less complex than their Colecovision counterparts. The hardware and memory differences demanded it.

Well, well, well, the world’s #1 Colecovision fan somehow found our discussion and injected himself right in there, outraged that we would call these games incompetent trash (we didn’t) and that we’d insult the programmers’ knowhow (we also didn’t). The point of object seemed to be the word “downgraded,” which we meant entirely dispassionately and he thought was an offense of the highest order.

Andrew just blocked the guy right away, which was the wise move, though I think it was my years in retail that made me attempt to reason with the guy and get him to see what we were saying. Because I’m talking about it here, you can probably guess that didn’t work out, even to the point where the guy actually tried to tattle on us to some old former Coleco programmer who also happened to be on Xwitter. (I never saw that programmer make a comment, presumably because he probably rolled his eyes and thought “ugh, this guy again.”)

Since I’ve abandoned Xwitter and moved to Bluesky, I haven’t had to deal with too many problem people, and those that turn up are very easily dismissed with Bluesky’s very solid blocking option. However, there was one case just the other week, one that inspired this very post.

On the occasion of President Jimmy Carter’s passing, I posted this MAD cover, dated March 1978:


Along with it, I included the caption “This was as defining an image of Jimmy Carter for me in my childhood as just about anything else. RIP.” You can see the post right here for yourself.

This wasn’t intended as an overtly political post (even if posting about a former President at all is inherently political). It was simply a comment on the fact that, as a child at the time, my primary interaction with politics on that scale was via entertainment aimed at me (or not necessarily at me, but seen by me anyway, such as Dan Aykroyd’s impression of Carter on Saturday Night Live). To this day, this drawing (by Jack Rickard) exists in my brain as the primary picture in my mind of the man. I mean, they don’t call these the “formative years” for nothing.

I figured, if I were to get any objection to this post at all, it’d be from someone who was annoyed that I didn’t discuss Carter’s full legacy, good and/or ill, or that I reduced him to this goofy image. And I was ready to argue, if I had to, with, well, what I said in the previous paragraph.

What I got instead was this, a straight up objection to me even using MAD at all. You can see my immediate response, and his, um, whatever that is in the image, too:


Not shown is my second response, where I told him 1) I’ve discussed MAD plenty of times on my comics blog, with its own category, and 2) I carry MAD in my store, both new issues and old. And as you can see by his second response, he did see that post and it did nuttin’ a’tall to mollify the guy. So, to Blocktown he went.

Digging a little deeper into the fella, I discovered he was on several Bluesky “blocklists” (lists which, if you follow, block everyone on that list) which tells me this isn’t unusual behavior for him. And a fellow blogger has told me he’s turned up in their comments whenever he uses images from MAD for the same reasons “Alfred” gives above…not liking comic book guys who talk about his favorite magazine.

It’s…amazing that someone puts this much vitriol into complaining about something that, let’s face it, isn’t real. Or at least aimed at the wrong people, to give him the barest benefit of a doubt. As online pal ThisIsBrian said, “That sure is a lot of worrying for a guy who’s using the name of the most famous non-worrier there is.”

Compared to the abuse some folks get online, this is nothing. Some trolls out there can be real dangers, with threats and massive online pile-ons of their victims and showing intentions of (and following through with) real world crimes. The guys I’ve mentioned here are just minor annoyances, bemusing at best, and easily dealt with. They aren’t much different from the “Bozos” of yore, spitting out anger and insults, just more specific about their particular triggers. I’m betting that in person, they’re also just like “Bozo,” unassuming and bearing sheepish grins when outed for their behavior, their rage curtailed in fear of actual consequences.

Take us with you, Buck!


Happy New Year to those who celebrate, and let’s hope (really hope) that 2025 turns out better than we’re expecting. Be good to each other.

Wolverine Back Issue Talk, Part Five: What I Do Best Isn’t Very Nice.

First, get your 2025 comic industry predictions in! Come back in January 2026 to see how you did! …Well, I mean, keep reading my site ’til then, of course.

Next, to Mike Loughlin, I can get to those Wolverine-adjacent titles as an addendum to this series. I certainly have something to say about those comics.

And lastly, I’m sure I’ll miss some Wolverine issue or ‘nother in my overview here. You can bring ’em up in the comments, but I may or may not get to them. Nothing personal, but I only intended this to be, like, two installments, and here we are on five! Ah well, What Can You Do™?

So we move on with our discussion of Wolverine that still attract (or had attracted) interest in the back issue market, and their possibility of continuing to do so in the future.

First up is Wolverine #59 (1992), featuring the artwork of Darick Robertson and Joe Rubenstein:


I suspect the reasons for interest in this issue are self-evident, going back to, as Andrew said, reasons solely related to the cover. This Terminator-esque look for our favorite furball is a consistent eyecatcher, but not necessarily one that always results in a sale from the back issue bins. But it does sell, so I’ll give it the middling Two Claws rating…still gets attention and will likely receive attention in the years to come, but not a book that’s an insta-grab for your typical back issue hound.

Next up is Wolverine #67 (1993), art by Mark Texeira:


Texeira had a little run of Wolverine comics around this time, but this is probably the cover of the bunch. Certainly the most (here comes that word again) iconic. Now there was a bit of time some years ago when Texeira art had this measure of, well, “hotness” about it, goading sales along of any comics that featured it. That’s not quite the case now (Mike Loughlin, this probably answers one of your questions), which isn’t a comment on Texeira’s art or anything, which is certainly dynamic and attention-grabbing.

I would also give this issue the Two Claws ranking, as it does sell at a higher frequency than the issues around it, and I think as time wears on, it’ll continue as a consistent, if not high demand, item.

And here we are, the first Wolverine cover with a hologram glued to it…#75 from 1993, with art by Adam Kubert and Mark Farmer:


This is part of a storyline in which Wolverine loses the adamantium bonded to his bones. Specifically, Magneto uses his powers to pull out the adamantium, an event that happens in the previous chapter of this crossover story, the similarly hologrammed X-Men #25.

Of the X-comics that comprised this storyline, dubbed “Fatal Attractions,” it was (and still is) X-Men #25 that commands the most attention. That had been because of the events within, and maybe still because of them, but now mostly sell because of the demand for back issues for this X-Men series. (The Uncanny X-Men issue of this crossover sells at a high rate too, also because of demand for thos back issues.)

Yes yes, but what of Wolverine #75? I’m going to be a tad wishy washy on this, by giving this the most marginal of a Three Claws rating. Yes, it certainly sells, but sometimes…it takes a bit. It’s not an immediate grab ‘n’ slab (ugh, I’m sorry) for most folks diving into the old comics bins, like other Three Claw rankers. It’s definitely not in as much demand as X-Men #25. I don’t get calls from people desperately looking for it or anything. I think orders on this issue were particularly high, and it’s fairly common. But, priced right and put in front of the proper customer, it’ll move. And that hologram will continue to grab eyeballs in the future, making it stand apart from its non-gimmicked brethren.

On a related note, here’s a post I wrote long ago about just how these “Fatal Attractions” comics were shipped to us, and what the printer did to protect those precious hologram.

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That’s probably it for Wolverine talk for this week…unless I’m stuck for a topic on Friday and I dive back in. Thanks for reading, pals, and I hope everyone has a safe New Year celebration!

Sometimes I wonder about the first three demoncats.

It’s that weird time between Christmas and New Year’s Day, when all crime is legal, so I’m gonna hold off on Wolverine Talk for a tiny bit. Do I have more to say about Wolverine comics? Oh yes indeedy I do.

I also wanted to remind everyone that I’m looking for your comics industry predictions for 2025! I haven’t been hitting the reminders too hard either here or on social media, so I don’t have much of a turnout yet. Hopefully I’ll get a few more submissions, especially once I start reviewing the predictions from last year…that always seems to goose the numbers.

Now let’s go ahead and wrap up the last couple of inquiries from the most recent Question Time post:

Bob Stec goes this way with

“What is Swamp Thing’s middle name?”

Leonard. Or Bernard. Or both. “Swamp Leonard Bernard Thing, Esq.” So sayeth me, Michael Ricardo Anatoly Sterling!

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And wrapping up that Question Time post is demoncat_4, with another Swamp Thing question

“if dc ever finaly mostly as a tie in to james gunn future swamp thing film finaly publishes the infamous swamp thing meets jesus issue swamp thing 88 how many issues will you order for your store and how many for your self.”

That…is an interesting question, actually. The art, by the late Michael Zulli, is pretty much done (judging by some photocopies I may or may not have seen, I admit nothing). And given some of the shenanigans DC has published in the interim (including Preacher, where the main antagonist is, well, God), the relatively reverent Swamp Thing meets Jesus story would hardly cause a ripple now, I think.

At the time the comic was supposed to be published, in the late ’80s, the industry was in the midst of getting more attention from the general public, laying the groundwork for the ’90s boom. That meant more sales and more presence in “real world” media…both good and bad. And DC, with a Bat-movie in hand and possibly more on the way, and with plenty of zealots and blame-placers ready to find simple reasons for their kids being assholes, comics became a real target.

Not saying it doesn’t happen now, but with your comic readership being, on average, about equal to the number of people who read my grocery lists (and stop doing that, you weirdos), the Usual Suspects have moved on to new targets that will get them more publicity. And this planned cover for the issue might have raised an eyebrow or two from the naysayers then:


…I suspect it would fly more under the radar now. (If the story gets mixed in with other reprints in a trade paperback, it’ll definitely slide on by, but let’s contiue assuming a single-issue release.)

Let’s say DC said “okay, the time is nigh for us to finally publish this comic” and they put out a “facsimile” of a comic that never was, Swamp Thing #88, The Tale Too Hot for TV. Who would buy this now, about 35 years on.

Well, if they go with this cover:


…I suspect they’d fly off the shelves, and not just into the hands of elderly Swamp Thing fans, such as myself. So, yeah, I’d probably order a pretty good number of these for the shop.

And speaking of me, as I so rarely do here…how many would I buy? Well, one of each cover, natch…the regular cover, the foil cover, the 1 in 25 variant cover. That would suffice.

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And that’s that! I’ll be back to Wolverine Talk next week, probably, and in the meantime…give me more predictions!

Wolverine Back Issue Talk, Part Four: Back Off, Bub!

Well, I said last week I was going to skip the Wolverine talk for a day or two, but just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in! I’ll do my best to keep it brief (uh oh, you know what that means) but I wanted to address a couple of things before Christmas hit.

First, there’s a comment or three that have been left on the Wolverine posts that I promise I will get to, once 1) I’m through with the main posts in the series, or 2) when I actually take a brief break from posting about specific Wolverine comics. So if you left a question recently, don’t worry, I haven’t forgotten you.

Second, I still have a couple of responses due for the most recent Question Time post. Haven’t forgotten those either! I’ll get to them soon.

Okay (phew) how ’bout some Wolverine?

Speaking of comments, Joe Gualtieri gives me a poke with

“No mention of #27? Its Jim Lee cover was used for the box art of the Wolverine NES game and seems to be at least as expensive as the other issues mentioned here.”

Well, Joe, there’s a perfectly good explanation for the omission, and that is…um, I forgot.

Here’s the cover under discussion, straight outta 1990:


That is indeed Mr. Jimothy Lee on art duties for that almost literally striking cover there. And all I can say is that the reason I forgot about this cover is that…I haven’t had one in my evil retailer hands in many a moon. Or if I did it sold so quickly that it left no impression on what’s left of my mind that I even had one around.

As such, I don’t have specific sales data I can give you all for this issue. I can make some assumptions, both from sources like the Hot Comics App and looking at sales on the eBays. It does seem to sell for a little more than your average issue of Wolverine from around this period, excluding the crazy-talk prices for the “professionally-grade” ones slabbed in their little plastic coffins.

So, what to rate this, on my scientifically-rigorous Three Claws Scale of Current and Possible Future Demand, 1 = “might sell under the right circumstances, eh” and 3 = “only hosers wouldn’t buy this” with 2 being somewhere between those two extremes.

And I think I’m going to rate Wolverine #27 at…a provisional Three Claws, until I get more more hands-on data with in-store sales. I mean, it’s a Jim Lee cover, it seems to sell online when priced right (I see a few sales at lower prices versus the higher priced copies that haven’t sold as of yet), and I don’t have any in stock. That seems to point to continual demand. I’ll pay more attention the next I have copies of this around, and maybe provide an update someday.

Next up, 1992’s release of the extra-sized issue #50, complete with the requisite gimmick cover:


The gimmick? See those “slashes” across the cover there? As if someone with a three-clawed hand left ragged cuts across this dossier? Those are actually die-cut gaps into the stiff cardstock cover, leaving three vertically oriented holes through which you can see the images printed on the page beneath.

As it turns out, those die-cuts were kind of a pain in the ass to rack at my previous place of employment, which at the time had wall-mounted wire racks. The comics were backed into the metal slots…not tightly, ideally, but it created kind of a pocket into which comics would slide in and out. Most comic covers were smooth, so that wasn’t a problem. But with literal ragged holes on the cover…pulling things out usually wasn’t a problem, but if someone removed a copy and decided against it, shoving the book back into the slot could mean catching the die-cuts and tearing the cover.

Our solution to this at the time (which we did with other die-cut covers, of which there thankfully weren’t too many) was to put comic bags on all our copies, thus creating that smooth surface necessary to prevent any catching. The other alternative was to have just one display copy out that customers could look at, and have the rest at the counter. Or we could get rid of the wire racks entirely and replace them with something sensible, but we wouldn’t do that for a while yet after this comic came out.

The comic was bit of a hot commodity for a while, and sold out of the back issue bins on a regular basis, mostly due to the gimmick cover and that it was one of the “anniversary” multiples-of-fifty special issues that always attract extra attention. It’s slowed down of late, at least for me, but I’ll give it a Two Claw rating as because it is a special issue, it will always be likely to have some measure of demand, even if it doesn’t fly out the door.

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Andrew says

“It seems to me that longevity depends on the cover and issue number, and very little on the story content.”

Sure seems that way, in a lot of cases. At first the Byrne issues were sought after because they were, well, Byrne issues. People wanted the content. But as tempus fugit-ed and people forgot about Byrne, all that was left to attract people to those comics were the covers. Also, don’t forget the Sabretooth issues…those continue to be bought because people want to see Wolverine fight that guy.

There were some periods in the history of the Wolverine series where demand was story driven, such as during those brief Peter David and Warren Ellis arcs. But otherwise, yeah, Andrew, in many cases you are correct in your assertion.

That said, I have a couple of examples coming in the Very Near Future of Wolverine seeing demand, if even only for a while, because of what’s between the covers and not on them. We’ll see when we get there!

Thanks for reading, everyone, and I hope everyone enjoys whatever holiday they’re enjoying! I’ll probably have a short message on Christmas (shorter than this post, certainly…remember when I said I’d be brief?) and be back on Friday for more shenanigans. See you then.

Wolverine Back Issue Talk, Part Three: Why Not Try Your Luck Against — Me!

So before I jump into part three of our Wolverine discussion, let me remind you that I’m taking your comic industry predictions for 2025 right here! Get ’em in preferably before 2025 really gets goin’, so you slide in the first couple of weeks of January, that’ll probably be fine.

Also, the new Superman trailer is up. And before you say anything, this is a Pro-Krypto Household and I will not accept any complaints about the Super Good Boy.

Okay, now on to “Wolverine: Which Issues Will People Continue Caring About?” already in progress:

In the late 1970s/early 1980s, Wolverine experienced a burst in popularity, largely in part to Chris Claremont and John Byrne’s run on Uncanny X-Men. When Byrne left the book in 1981, there was some measure of anticipation among fans as to when he’d return to the characters. Aside from a brief appearance or two during Byrne’s run in Alpha Flight, he mostly stayed busy with other projects. However, when it was announced that he would be taking over the Wolverine series in 1989, that garnered excitement and gave a boost to sales on a book that, well, wasn’t hurting but could use a new influx of excitement.

His first issue was #17 here, with (and I’ve been using this term a lot in this series of posts, I realize) an iconic cover:


I mean, that’s pretty much the Platonic ideal of a Wolverine picture, along with the cover to Incredible Hulk #340, or Art Adams’ variations on the pose seen here in this Wolverine standee pic I stole from eBay:


…and I’m sure many of you recognize this standee from the cover to the Crazy 8s album “Doggapotamus World,” of course.

Anyhoo, Byrne’s short run on the book was a relatively popular one over all at the time, and lived on in strong back issue sales for a while afterward, eventually the bloom’s off the rose, Byrne’s superstardom fades, and the run became Just More Wolverine back issues.

Except that #17. That cover still sells the book. Whenever I get them in, they sell almost immediately. And people aren’t really buying the other issues Byrne did, which is telling me people are buying this only because it’s a cool cover, not because they’re interested in Byrne’s storytelling. So, using the three-clawed scale of Wolverine’s Continuing Hotness, as established in previous installments of this posting series, I give this issue the rarefied rating of Three Claws. It was in demand demand, in demand now, and will continue to be in demand so long as people love Wolverine and, well, comic fans exist.

One exception to the “only Byrne issue that sells” thing is #21, which, well, just look at it:


Maybe not an “iconic” image, to throw that word around again, but certainly a striking one that grabs the fancy of the occasional back issue bin peruser. Still sells, and may continue to sell, but it’s getting the Two Claws rating simply because it doesn’t move like its lower-numbered partner.

Now let’s jump ahead to the far flung future of 1991, when Wolverine #41 was unleased upon an unsuspecting public:


Now, this book, featuring another clash between Wolverine and Sabretooth, was “hot” for a while, mostly because of a particular revelation within:


Oh no, what? There were rumors and I think even a hint or two in earlier comics that there was a familial relationship between Sabretooth and Wolverine, and this issue seemed to confim it.

At least until the second part of the story came out:


…and a S.H.I.E.L.D. tech tells Wolvie, nah, Sabretooth ain’t your dad:

…though Nick Fury adds “but he totally thought he was your father!” and I haven’t read enough Wolverine comics to tell you whether or not Sabretooth’s misconception was ever addressed again.
Thus, possibility brought up, possibility almost immediately shot down, though with just enough wiggle room to maybe leave some questions…but regardless, this was a Hot Book for a brief time, specifically the first part, because of Sabretooth’s spurious claim. Issue #41 even got a second printing, there was so much demand for it. Used to sell out of the back issue bins right away, along with #42, but it’s slowed down in recent years.

These two books still sell, but mostly because it’s Wolverine Vs. Sabretooth more than because of any semi-controversy stirred up by Sabretooth’s supposed parentage. Once a Three-Claw rater for its immense demand, it’s more a Two Claw rating now. Not a dead book, but not leaping out of back issue bins into people’s hands like it used to either.

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Am I going to continue this series, now that a week has passed? But of course, there are still a few Wolvie books to go, like those with die-cut covers, not to mention holograms, holograms, holograms! It’s not going to be every single day I’m posting — I’ll try to write about something else on Monday, we’ll see — but I’m not done yet! Thanks for reading, pals, and I’ll see you next time.

“We drive into the future using only our rearview mirror.” — Marshall McLuhan.

Whoops, almost forgot in the midst of all this Wolverine talk that it’s time to take your comic industry predictions for 2025!

Just leave ’em in the comments to this very post, but please adhere to these simple yet necessary rules:

1. Don’t read the other predictions before entering your own.

2. Don’t criticize other people’s predictions.

3. Don’t predict any real person’s death.

4. Limit of three predictions per person! VERY VERY IMPORTANT! You can only do one or two if you’d like, but NO MORE THAN THREE PLEASE!

Starting sometime in January, I’ll start going over the predictions y’all made for 2024 last year and see how you did. No prizes awarded, just a fun way to see how the industry has played out vis-à-vis our expectations.

As always, thanks in advance for participating!

Wolverine Back Issue Talk, Part Two: You’ve Taken Yer Best Shot!

So in Part One, we started to take up the gauntlet thrown down by philfromgermany as to which Wolverine comics may or may not retain demand as the years carry on.

Now I should say, I’m writing these articles from the perspective of one longtime funnybook retailer — your pal, me — and the local marketplace to which I’ve been selling for the past smidgen-over-three-and-a-half decades. Other retailers’ mileage may vary. But I started working in comics retail about the same time the first ongoing Wolverine series began in 1988, so I got to see the waxing and/or waning of new and secondary market sales of the series, one issue at a time, one month at a time, in real time.

And speaking of which, in 1989 we saw this two part story guest-starring a certain large grey-skinned gentleman of some note:


Without checking actual numbers or bugging my former boss about it, I’m presuming Wolverine was outselling Incredible Hulk at the time. That said, Incredible Hulk was in the midst of Peter David’s tenure as writer on the title, and selling at least reasonably well. Not sure if there was any significant transfer of readership from one title to another, but I know I wasn’t a regular follower of the Wolverine title. I was a fan of the Hulk, so Wolverine did at least get a couple extra sales out of me for the duration of this storyline.

It’s been a long time, so I don’t recall what the impetus was for the plot, but the premise of Wolverine in his “secret” identity as “Patch,” encountering the Hulk, in his grey-hued persona as Las Vegas enforcer “Joe Fixit,” was an amusingly clever one.

Now I haven’t shown you the cover to part two of the story yet, so here it is now:


…and that’s sort of gone down in comics history as one of the classic iconic covers featuring the two characters during this somewhat oddball period in both of their lives. Even the Overstreet Price Guide has it notated as a “classic cover.” And it is a good’un…John Buscema, you’ve done it again!

And of the two, it’s that second issue that commands Big Prices, much more than the first part. Obviously people are just buying this for the cover (and presumably many of these are trading in those Officially Graded sealed plastic slabs, so the cover’s the only bit you could enjoy anyway). Not to say that #7, the first half o the story, doesn’t sell reasonably well, but the prices it can command aren’t anywhere close to those of the second part.

Going back to my nigh-patented Wolverine’s Claws rating sale, one claw being “eh, it’ll occasionally sell out of the box” to the three-clawed “it’ll always be in demand,” I would give issue #8 the coveted Three Claws rating. This comic always has been, and will likely continue to be, desired by collectors. That is a good and, it bears repeating, iconic image.

Issue #7 I’m giving the middling Two Claws rating, which means, well, something. It will sell is the buyer is interested in reading the story, but if buyers are pickin’ and choosin’ and just looking for cool covers, they’re taking #8. The cover to #7 is no slouch, but I can see it being overshadowed and forgotten by collectors.

Also in 1989, we got this issue, #10, featuring Wolverine versus his arch-nemesis Sabretooth:


This is a standalone issue featuring a flashback to a conflict between the two. “Wolverine Versus Sabretooth” was kind of a thing, and this issue, with its striking Bill Sienkiewicz cover, attracted a lot of attention at the time. And it continued to be a persistent back issue seller for years afterwards…until it wasn’t.

Now, again, this may just be a local market thing, but I haven’t seen any demand on this for a very long time. Even as people ask to poke through my Wolverine back issues, that particular number doesn’t move. The price guides and the Hot Comic Apps still have it at a premium, but I just don’t see that being realized here in the real world.

If I had to put the Wolverine Claws rating on this issue, I’m probably going for Two Claws again. It’s a nice vaguely defined value, in this case meaning “once hot, now not, but potentially could be again” if only because it is a classic Wolvie/Sabrie battle. It theoretically could find an audience again.

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What’s coming next time? A couple issues out of a once-high profile creator’s run, and a return visit from one of the above guest-stars? Maybe!

Wolverine Back Issue Talk, Part One: I’ve Got Claws, I Can Use ‘Em!

Going back to philfromgermany’s comment, asking “whither the demand for [assorted books]?” And in this post, I’m going to look at Wolverine comics. That is, comics actually titled “Wolverine,” versus Incredible Hulk #180-#182, which I think we all understand that, as those issues comprise the initial appearance of Len Wein, Herb Trimpe and John Romita’s creation, they have no trouble selling in any condition. Boy howdy, how I’ve sold those in any condition.

Now, philfromgermany wondered if any Wolverines after the 1982 mini-series by Chris Claremont and Frank Miller would continue having any demand. And I’d say “sure, there are a few.”

Well, let’s look at the Wolverine mini first, since you mentioned it:


Just within the last week, I acquired a couple of copies of this first issue in…less than pristine condition, but it didn’t matter since they both sold immediately anyway.

Here’s a funny thing about trying to buy these from folks who bring them into the shop…a thing that, to be fair, usually applies to almost any comic or collection brought into my shop for sale, but it especially applied to the Wolverine mini. And that thing is the seller’s belief that the comic is worth far more than it actually is.

I mean, yeah, it can be a pricey comic. In nice shape. Which is the trick. The copies i usually see where like the two I had just within the last few days…one of those was in Very Good Minus, the other just a straight-up Fair. These were part of a large bulk sale of items, so there wasn’t any haggling over the prices I offered for those particular ones.

But when those Wolverine mini-series is the only comic a person’s got to sell, they don’t want to hear that they’re in worn condition and won’t go for high prices. Invariably I get the “I’ll hold onto them [‘I’ll sell them on eBay’ implied]” because they think their $8 Wolverine #1 in Fair is actually worth hundreds if not thousands. I offer real money they can have right now, they prefer fantasy money they’ll never see outside of their heads.

Ah well, What Can You Do™ as I say probably too often. Usually I have pretty good luck explaining price versus condition to someone unfamiliar wit the hobby, but that mini-series is like a force field against my cunning retailer powers.

Hoo boy, I can already tell this is going to run long. Is this going to be “Wolverine Back Issue Week” here on Progressively Ruinated Dot Edu? Maybe, but I think we should discuss at least one more Wolverine comic with potential collectible staying power. And that comic is…the very first issue of the original ongoing Wolverine title from 1988:


Well, yeah, sure, just look at that. It’s one of the most iconic covers featuring the ol’ Canucklehead ever produced, in this case by John Buscema and Al Williamson. And you’ll find in my ongoing list of “Wolverines What Still Sell for Money” that in a lot of the cases we’re about to look at, it’s the cover that makes the comic desirable.

It’s also the first issue of the first ongoing Wolverine series, and on-go it did for nearly 200 issues, before the dreaded “Relaunch with a New #1 for That Temporary Boost in Sales” strategy got applied and we got a whole lotta “ongoing” Wolvies over the decade or two that followed. Up until a new #1 just a few months ago, in fact!

But I’ll shout at the clouds about those later. Let’s get back to this #1 from 1988. Iconic cover, first issue of what we all thought at the time would be the one and only continuing title until the end of all things. And as that series plugged along every month, that gave collectors jumping on the Wolverine train a little late inspiration to fill in back numbers, including that elusive first issue, driving up demand and price.

Another point to note is that the cover is colored largely in black, so that imperfections (like chips or color-breaking spine breaks) are easier to both acquire and spot. That gives a little extra boost to the premium for high-grade copies, as presumably they’d be harder to track down.

Demand as such remains high for Wolverine #1 (1988). It’s a perennial mover for me and I have no trouble finding buyers for it, and I don’t expect that to change anytime soon. On a scale of 1 to 3 Wolverine Claws, 3 being highest, I’ll give this a 3. I get one in the shop, it’s unlikely to spend the night.

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Okay, that’s Part One of this nonsense…philfromgermany, what have you wrought? Anyway, pop back in next time as I discuss a couple more early issues in this run of Wolverine, including a two-parter with a big grey guest star, and a once-hot book that guest-stars a long-time adversary!