My Fantastic Four-ay: Part Five.

So in our last installment, I wrote about some of the new villains John Byrne created during his Fantastic Four run that never really seemed to go much of anywhere. Someone responded in the comments that Malice, AKA “Dark Invisible Woman,” was one that Byrne came up with and popped up again and again over the decades. Granted, I probably should have mentioned her in that particular post, but I did discuss Malice, and mention her current usage, in Part Three of “My Fantastic Four-ay,” so I didn’t forget her completely!

And to really get right down to it, strictly speaking it’s more a remixing of a character created by someone else, in this case Stan Lee and Jack Kirby their own selves, rather than a whole new person. But that’s splitting hairs a bit…I mean, who created Nightwing? Marv Wolfman and George Pérez, who in the 1980s put Dick Grayson into that outfit and gave him that name, or whoever it was Bob Kane took the credit from when Dick Grayson was introduced way back in Detective Comics #38?

Regardless, it’s a new take on a preexisting character, and I suppose that’s close enough for horseshoes, as nobody younger than me says.

But anyway, in that same vein, let’s talk about Frankie Raye.

Frankie Raye was a supporting character in the Fantastic Four title starting with issue #164, by Roy Thomas and George Pérez, published in 1975 and several years before I started reading the book on a regular basis. Frankie becomes Johnny “Human Torch” Storm’s girlfriend, despite her apparent fear of fire. Natch, they broke up, but she was reintroduced into the book early in Byrne’s run, making her one of the few non-Lee/Kirby FF elements to return in his “Back to Basics” run (along with Terrax, discussed in Part One).

Like those early Terrax stories, I never read any of Frankie’s appearances in the title prior to this Byrne run. She was just another story element that emphasized to me that the Marvel Universe was an ever-growing, ever-self-referential thing, and that while I was tempted to go back and pick up those prior appearances so that these stories I was reading were “complete,” I think even then I realized the futility of doing so. The soap opera and subplot-ridden storylines would make it impossible to ever pick out a completely clean “starting point,” unless I was willing to buy all the way back to Fantastic Four #1, which maybe I would have been but my pocketbook would likely have argued against that course of action.

So that was likely an early lesson taught to me by Byrne’s run on this book…just let his first issue (#232) suffice as close to a clean break as may be possible from what has gone before, and let any previous elements worked back in be explained as they need explaining.

And that’s what we got here. Frankie Raye shows back up, reconnects with Johnny, we’re told enough about the two’s backstory, but then Mr. Byrne pulls one of these on us in issue #237:


What’s this? Frankie Raye — completely in the altogether? Look, we’ve all read Byrne comics, we know that could totally have happened, but instead we have to wait a month and in issue #238, we see what’s really going on:


She goes on to explain that this costume only appears when she’s otherwise naked, for you “this is a fetish for someone” fans, and she reveals some suddenly awakened memories of her past. Like, for example, helping her stepdad move some barrels of dangerous chemicals:


…and after the accident, she finds herself alive, but burning:


…and in response steppop hypnotizes her into forgetting the whole incident and the fact that she apparently has superpowers, out of guilt or whatever:


Hence that previously mentioned fear-of-flame, you know.

Now as it turns out, her stepdad was Professor Phineas Horton, creator of the original android Human Torch during World War II, and the chemicals he and Frankie were moving around were like those that gave the android its flame powers. Strikes me as a plot contrivance they couldn’t get away with now, given WWII is 40+ more years in the past than when this comic was originally published. Horton being a teen girl’s 100-year-old stepfather now seems unlikely…or even an 85-year-old one, if you want to work it into a flashback timeframe. Just sayin’ Frankie Raye’s backstory is probably one they’d have to adjust if they ever referred to it again.

So anyway, Horton mailed her this costume some years later to help her contain her powers, though via post-hypnotic suggestion or something via a cassette tape included with the costume, she was made to immediately forget that she put it on and to destroy the tape and forget that too. Okay, that cassette would be an MP3 file now, but let’s not quibble.

Regardless of all this backstory, the upshot is Frankie Raye is also a Human Torch-type character now, and she goes on adventures and such with the Fantastic Four and everything is hunky-dory.

Except…a couple of times she used excessive force in her superheroing, showing little to no consideration for what she’s done. And that’s foreshadowing for what happens in issue #244, the conclusion of Byrne’s first major Galactus storyline.


As you can see by that cover there, something drastic is about to go down, and given the subject of today’s post, it’s probably not a shock to discover that’s Frankie depicted on the cover there.

Near the conclusion of this storyline, for assorted reasons Frankie makes the offer to Galactus to be his new herald, à la his former servant the Silver Surfer.


Reed of course tries to talk her out of it, telling her what she’d have to do in this role, and her response is surprising:


…though maybe not so surprising, given her attitude on display during those foreshadowing events I mentioned earlier.

Galactus, for his part, has a pragmatic reaction:


And the deed is done: she’s transformed by Galactus (see the cover above), and leaps into the new role, forsaking everything earthly for her new job:


Johnny clearly has no impact on her anymore, even after being a couple again for a bit, and his reaction is genuinely affecting in the face of Frankie’s (or rather, Nova’s, to use her new name) faded humanity.

And that’s that. Frankie turns up once or twice more during Byrne’s run, notably leading Galactus to the Skrull Homeworld. But also notably, we get the beginnings of a long-running subplot in future Marvel comics that Nova may be developing feelings for Galactus.

By “future comics” I mean mostly Silver Surfer, where that aspect of her relationship with Galactus is touched upon, and she also has some romance with the Surfer himself. We do get a follow-up to Nova’s disregard to the lives of “bug-eyed monsters,” and we also learn that Galactus himself may have had…something approaching stronger feelings for Nova than he let on, especially in the wake of her death.

Yes, I said “death,” the character dies in Silver Surfer, though she came back in some form, in the Mighty Marvel Manner, in the Heralds mini, but I hadn’t read it so I don’t know what she was up to there, or lately.

I didn’t even get into her appearance in the alternaute future “The Last Galactus Story” that was serialized, but never completed, in Epic Illustrated. But I think it’s safe to say, like Malice, Frankie “Nova” Raye was one of his reworkings of an established character that did have legs, did continue to have an impact, not just on the Fantastic Four title, but on the Marvel Universe at large.

And farther still, as the “Frankie becomes Nova” story make it, in condensed form, into an episode of a 1990s Fantastic Four cartoon. The character makes other animated and live action appearances as well.

What really struck me most about Frankie Raye is her amoral stance in regards to non-terrestrial life, as presented in #244. That surprised me as a reader still relatively new to the Marvel Universe, presenting a complexity in a character that we identify as “hero,” did heroic things, and had the readers’ sympathy. But she had that one flaw, one that would basically put her in the “villain” category, that made us question any specific attachment we may have had to her. And on top of that, throwing away her humanity, discarding her relationships in exchange for power…that would also be marked as villain behavior in a more black-and-white milieu, but reads as hopelessly tragic in Marvel’s longstanding “characters with problems” foundation. It’s a move that impressed me then, and still, all these years later, even after everything that’s been done with the character since, impresses me now.

My Fantastic Four-ay: Part Four.

So the topic of John Byrne’s mid-’80s reboot of the Superman line came up on Bluesky, where, among other topics, the new villains Byrne introduced was discussed. By and large Byrne took the probably-editorially-mandated approach of retooling some of the old Superman adversaries into something a little more modern-feeling, but between making Mr. Mxyzptlk unpleasant and making Metallo unpleasant, some new creations entered the mix.

…Aaaaand…dropped out of the mix, as for the most part, the new opponents had little to no staying power, or were used only sporadically until mostly just fading away. Like, say, Skyhook, or Dreadnought and Psi-Phon, whatever that one robot mummy thing was called, or even, God help us, Sleez (who apparently appeared about three or so times, which is four more than I expected). Even Bloodsport, who got a little play when a version of the character was used in a Suicide Squad movie, is mostly underutilized.

The one villain Byrne introduced who actually kinda/sorta got over, is Silver Banshee, probably more because of her striking appearance than anything else. Other creators took a liking to her and started developing her presence, and she also made the jump to other media (remember when she was on Smallville? She certainly was!). She was even showing up in the Superman comics relatively recently,

Which is a long way of saying that Byrne seemed to have more luck doing memorable stories with the established characters here than he did creating brand new villains for Superman to fight. But, really, that’s okay…superhero comics are littered with one-shot wonders who show up to fight the hero for an issue, gets sent down the river to do a nickel in the gray bar hotel, and are never heard from again. Byrne cooking up one villain (maaaaaybe two, if you want to count Bloodsport) that manage to make the grade out of however many he attempted isn’t a bad ratio.. I mean, it’s no Lee/Kirby cranking out legendary character after legendary character, but who could ever match those guys.

And that brings me to >Fantastic Four, as I’m sure you were expecting, given the title of this post an’ all. Byrne’s overall goal to his run on the Fantastic Four was that all-too-familiar phrase of “back to basics.” Byrne stripped the title back down to the Stan ‘n’ Jack days, focusing mainly on their creations as adversaries for the early issues, building on their foundation rather than much of what gone on in issues prior to Byrne’s takeover. (One exception was bringing back Terrax the Tamer, a cocreation with Marv Wolfman from Byrne’s previous run on the title, and who had his own measure of staying power).

Which isn’t to say that Byrne didn’t make some attempts at introducing new antagonists to the title. In #237, be brought in Spinerette:


…an interesting-looking lady with the power to induce vertigo-like effects:


…I mean, she got a “super-villain” name, she had an interesting look, but far as I can tell, only appeared this one time. Misunderstandings were resolved, she left the planet with her people, and that was that.

In #239, we get some critters that have been pestering a smal Arizona town:


…only it turns out they’re pals with a young girl that had been helping the FF throughout the issue:


There’s a lot goin’ on in this issue that I’m glossing over, but, even though Reed Richards his own self implies that these beings could appear again, far as I can tell, they never do.

In #266, one of the few issues during Byrne’s tenure that wasn’t mostly drawn by him (Kerry Gammill doing the honors, with Byrne pencilling a couple pages at the beginning and end of the issue, but inking throughout), we got Karisma:


…a villian with mesmerizing powers, shown here putting the whammy on the Thing:


…and she apparently turns up again fighting Captain America at some point, but she’s only had a couple of appearances altogether.

And then there’s the big one (literally). Terminus! I seem to recall Byrne stating somewhere that the intention was to create a Fantastic Four villain that would stand with the other classic FF bad guys, and, well, what we got was a riff on Galactus:


In Amazing Heroes #39, Byrne is quoted as saying

“The whole thrust behind Terminus […] is to introduce a cosmic bad guy who is a cosmic bad guy. Terminus is an extremely powerful menace, but he is not as powerful as Galactus, nor does he have Galactus’s nobility or important role to play in the workings of the universe. […] He’s not beyond good and evil [as Galactus is said to be]. He’s evil and he likes it. I don’t want a character with even a hint of nobility this time. He’s scuzzy. Every time he comes back, he’s going to be nastier. He’s basically out to have a good time, which he defines looting, pillaging, raping, murdering. He’s a kind of cosmic Attila the Hun.”

So, a giant bad guy who destroys planets but, unlike Galactus, is kind of an asshole about it. He’s sort of the answer to “oh, you think Galactus is a ‘bad guy,’ here’s what an actual Bad Guy Galactus would be like.” Terminus even has his own little companion who helps him track down worlds:


…and in contrast to whenever Galactus was defeated and driven away from the Earth, Terminus’s defeat results in him becoming trapped inside the Earth:


Interestingly, in an Amazing Heroes interview some years later, Byrne says

“…I had created Terminus for Marvel, and he was originally created to be a Darkseid-type character, although he evolved into something different.”

Of the FF villains Byrne created, Terminus seems to be the one closest to having the goods, though I believe Byrne only used him the once. He later turned up in an Avengers story by Roger Stern, John Buscema, and Tom Palmer, then was the focus of a crossover among a handful of 1990 annuals. He (or his armor) have made a handful of appearances over the years, making him at the very least a minor villanous player in the Marvel universe, if not the major recurring threat that Byrne had planned.

When I started reading Fantastic Four comics, I think even then I could feel the difference between an established villain and a new creation, why one had staying power and why the other did not. I enjoying reading the Spinnerette story, but I wasn’t left with a feeling of “I can’t wait to see her again,” or “this is the beginning of a long history with this character.” She was a short-term puzzle to be solved for this one story, with no real reason to return to her.

Terminus at least has some apparent depth to him, despite his one note purpose as “cosmic thug.” He’d clearly been around a bit, he had taken a helper from a previous world, his defeat left the promise of a return. This felt like a character with some legs, even if it would be under other creators, at least for a time.

Whereas, for example, Diablo, or the Puppet Master, two villains that turned up very eary in Byrne’s run, felt like guys who were absolutely part of the Marvel universe (because, well, they were) with understandable motivations and histories, and possibilities for further stories. These guys weren’t created as one-offs, they could be plot machines for many stories to come.

Not to say that Byrne’s new villains, aside from Terminus, couldn’t have been. Who knows what those little demon critters from #239 could have evolved into. Or what allegorical purpose Karisma could have served? But they were ultimately minor villains who existed to serve that one story and nobody felt inspired to dig them up again (or at leaset to dig them up too often). Again, that’s fine…not every character can be the Joker or Doctor Doom. And Byrne was hardly the only creator to contibute a new villain to the FF cause that made his or her one stand and was never seen again. Lee and Kirby are hard acts to follow, after all.

My Fantastic Four-ay: Part Three.

So as you might imagine, even this far out from (some version of) the character’s appearance on the silver screen, I’ve had an upswell of demand for comics featuring Doctor Doom. And not too long ago, a young man, probably 12 or 13, fished a couple appearances out of the Fantastic Four boxes and purchased them, one of which being issue #278 from 1985:


Technically, this isn’t Doom in this issue, but rather his young ward Kristoff, whose mind was reprogrammed with Doom’s memories upon the Doctor’s apparent “death.” Comics, everyone! But it’s a fun adventure (continued into the next issue, with a cover blurb referencing artist/writer John Byrne’s early work for Charlton).

Anyway, an hour or three after that kid bought his comic and left, it occurred to me that a particular subplot appeared in that #278, setting up a story a couple of issues later. Johnny “Human Torch” Storm, with his girlfriend Alicia Masters (which will take some explaining, which I plan to do later in this series of posts) are out for a walk, when Johnny notices someone’s been applying offensive stickers to posters advertising an equality rally:


And just so we’re clear, that panel above is the version you’ll see on Marvel’s digital comic platform, with That Word obscured. It was not obscured in the original publication, in the issues I bought off the stands myself 41 years ago. I can only wonder what that young customer of mine thought when he hit that page in the comic after taking it home that day, and frankly I’m still expecting the phone call at the shop from a parent.

I’m trying to recall my own reaction to the usage in the comic. I was a 15/16-year old white kid reading this, and I think I was…maybe a little surprised to see it, but I could see it was there to Make A Point About Racism and therefore this was leading up to some Important Comics.

Looking at it now, I can see it as an attempt at making (spoiler, this is the villain behind it all) the Psycho-Man and his emotion-manipulating powers having a more “real world” relevant impact. And using That Word was absolutely there for the shock value, which was apparently a big year for it because it pops up in Uncanny X-Men just a couple of months after this. As that 15/16-year-old kid back then, and as the 57-year-old white guy I am now, I’m not in a position to say “sure, this was okay to do.” I mean, I think hearts were in the right place, judging by this please-don’t-write-us-letters editorial box on the letters page for #278:


(And just so you all know…I looked to see what reactions this issue generated in later Fantastic Four letter columns, and I found one with letters for #277, and another with a page for letters about #279, but none for #278. Not sure what to make of that.)

In a postscript in #279, That Word gets dropped again as a set-up for the next issue. And, once we get to issue #280, with this admittedly striking cover:


…where this storyline starts in earnest, things get scaled back a little bit, with a policeman under Psycho-Man’s influence harasses an elderly Jewish man, and assaults Wyatt Wingfoot, the FF’s Native American friend. Plus, we get a panel showing an anti-mutant protest:


…which has been, and still is, Marvel’s mainstay allegory for real world racism, feeling a little odd contrasted with the real world racism the comic has been presenting for a couple of issues now.

When all is said and done, the entire point of the slurs and the racism and the violence is to show what a character like the Psycho-Man, and his control over people’s hate and fear, would do in a “realistic” setting. Yes, racism is real, and someone like Psycho-Man would take advantage of it, stirring it up for his own ends, even if his own ends are just causing more hatred and violence for its own sake. But the contrast between a very real-world slur and, well, the inherent comic book ridiculousness of Psycho-Man makes for, at best, a rough fit, resulting in a presentation that feels more like “look what we can do!” than “We Have Something Important to Say.”

The real goal of this storyline is two-fold, and has nothing to do with the racism in the set-up. It’s all about Susan Richards, the Invisible Woman, and redefining her character. In short, under Psycho-Man’s control, and SPOILERS once more for a four-decade-old story, she emerges in the new costumed identity of Malice:


…where she quickly demolishes the other members of the FF with innovative usage of her force field powers. And while the Malice identity, at least during Byrne’s run on the book, departs after the conclusion of this storyline, the character has quite the long tail, appearing and reappearing in one form or another in later creators’ runs, up to Fantastic Four comics being released even as I type this.

The demonstration of Sue’s powers unleashed, combined with her eventual torture at the hands of Psycho-Man and her off-panel presumably-gruesome revenge on the villain, are all part of Byrne’s attempts at “strengthening” her, resulting in this concluding panel in #284:


Despite being a little harder to say out loud than “Invisible Girl,” the “Invisible Woman” moniker has survived to this day. And, largely because of this story, she is still often referred to as the most powerful member of the team.

Which of course is a wild way to wrap up a tale that began with That Word being printed in the comic, in front of God an’ everybody. It’s one of the very few examples of Byrne setting up a story element that doesn’t really come to anything…something similar (though with fewer bad words) occurs in that story with Reed’s father from about a year prior to this, which I’ll probably get to later. It’s just there to show just bad the villain can be, and, well, yes, that’s pretty bad indeed, thanks John.

Again, going back to what I, reading this new in 1985, thought of it…well, I’m sure I didn’t think much about the conclusions I’m drawing here today. I probably thought of it as “comics have really matured if they can make storytelling choices like this!” Or maybe I wasn’t thinking anything of it at all, since I was also reading old undergrounds an’ such at the time, which tended to be a little freer with the language than their four-color counterparts.

I mean, ultimately it’s good to show Our Heroes Hate Racism (a point that now seems sadly lost on some of those who purport to be comic fans), but casually throwing That Word out there in a regular ol’ superhero comic, an edgy move then, is certainly off-putting to modern eyes, regardless of intent.

My Fantastic Four-Ay: Part Two.

While the Thing quickly became one of my favorite Marvel superheroes, thanks in part to John Byrne’s portrayal in the (probably) first issue of Fantastic Four I purchased off the stands, I very quickly latched onto my favorite Marvel supervillain:


If #259 was my first purchased new issue of Fantastic Four, then #257 (cover date August 1983) was likely one my earliest back issue acquisitions of the series. And what a cover that was, with Galactus’ visage split with that of Death, which I probably thought was largely symbolic when I pulled the comic out of the bins, but surprise, it’s actually a literal representation of the story inside. But more on that in a moment.

I’ve read stories with Galactus, or referencing him, before, primarily in the Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer stories reprinted in the Origins of Marvel Comics and Son of Origins of Marvel Comics 1970s paperbacks that I checked out several times from the library as a young’un. Those books were a primary source of my knowledge of Marvel characters, along with Stan Lee’s semi-apocryphal text pieces therein, which is something I somehow neglected to mention in the previous installments of this series of posts.

The Galactus I encounted in those stories, the 1960s era rendition of the character, were likely more in line with the bombastic, cosmic storytelling of Lee ‘n’ Kirby, or fitting into the more quixotic Silver Surfer stories by Lee and John Buscema. What Byrne gave me in this comic was a combination of both, starting with this issue’s splash page that I remember being quite taken with:


I mean, what? That’s how you start a comic, throwing what may be the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe at you and having him make this quiet, tragic-seeming admission. Plus, that’s a hell of a drawing.

Then Byrne hits us with this two-page spread, that really lays into the cosmic bombast while still giving Galactus his somber soliloquy as he ponders his existence:


I know at least a couple of you out there winced when I referred to Galactus as a “supervillain” earlier in this post. A lot of hay has been made over the fact that Galactus is not a villain, as such, as he is “beyond such concepts as good and evil.” It’s established early on that he does what he does (tools around the universe eating planets) because it’s what he must do to survive. Not out of malice, just out of necessity.

I suppose if you’re on the planet being eating, that’s a splitting of hairs you really don’t have the time for. But this issue, getting into Galactus’s head, as he goes into his motivations and his doubts, goes a long way to fleshing out a being that could have just been a giant monster that our heroes fight occasionally, and let that be that. Giving him this level of…dignity goes a long way to establishing just who and what he is, and while Byrne may not have been the first to do this with the character, this was the first time I’ve seen it done with him. And it just fascinated me.

What especially grabbed me is Byrne further indicating Galactus’s importance to the universe at large, by having him literally have a conversation with Marvel’s embodiment of Death:


Death straight up says that she and Galactus as “two corners of the great triangle which is the universe” (the third corner being, of course, this fella). I ate all this up, buying into the mystery and the cosmic significance of Galactus, and wanting to Read More About It.

Now, later in the issue, Galactus gets his mojo back and decides to eat a planet, this time just happening to be the homeworld of some old pests of the Fantastic Four, the Skrulls:


…and while the Big G usually sets up machinery and such to more effectly absorb the planet’s energies, sometimes you just wanna dive right into the pie and not bother with the fork, right?

And, luckily for me, this would lead into more delving into the nature of Galactus some issues later, as Reed Richards is forced into a space-trial, accused of being responsible for the destruction of the Skrulls’ planet.


Reed’s responsible, you see, because in a previous story, he took the steps to revive a fallen and really dying Galactus, because he wasn’t just going to stand by and watch someone die. Even a someone who’s taller than buildings and likes to eat planets.

And having learned that, I of course, in my Fantastic Four back issue buying, decided to pick up that particular storyline, three issues running from #242 to #245 (May-July 1982). Here’s the middle issue, with a great cover image that, eventually, was turned into a statue or toy of some kind:


It was also in this issue that I learned of the origin of Galactus’s new herald, Nova, who had been in the newer issues I read. It was weird, working my way backwards in time, filling in the holes in the newer stories I’d read. It’s a sensation I don’t really experience much of anymore, piecing together long runs and slowly having the full story come together, like getting chapters of a book out of order and reading them as they come. The old comics I collect now (like Popeye and Turok are episodic, and don’t have continuing subplots and such.

Regardless of the order in which I encounted his comics, Galactus continued to fascinate me and I would pick up his appearances as I saw them. And pal Cully (whom you’ve seen in my comments from time to time) would lend me his run of Lee/Kirby Thor that centered around Galactus and Ego the Living Planet, and that was almost too much cosmic shenaniganery for me to handle. Eventually I would get my hands on Supervillain Classics:


…which would fill in the holes on his backstory for me, using literal panels extracted from previously published comics and tied together with short bits of explanatory text.

Of course we’d eventually see Hatless Galactus, but maybe we’re getting a little off track here.

I still have a fondness for Galactus, particularly when creators have new and unusual takes on the character (like Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo having a depowered Galactus trying to exist as a “normal” person). I also enjoyed getting an actual Big Guy in a Wild Helmet version of Galactus in the recent Fantastic Four film.

Galactus pops up in a lot of places, but whenever he shows up in the Fantastic Four comic, I’m pleased to be seeing my old pal, the one who introduced me to the whole Cosmic-Ness of it all in the Marvel Universe.

My Fantastic Four-ay: Part One.


I am reasonably sure Fantastic Four #259 (cover date October 1983, released June 1983) was the first issue of the series I purchased off the stands. While The Thing #5 that kicked off my still-ongoing dive into the world of Marvel Comics was technically a November ’83 (relased in July) issue, it was still close enough to that Fantastic Four‘s release that I could still find copies on the stands.

This was far further along into John Byrne’s tenure on the series than I imagined. Byrne, of course, had been a hot commodity since his time on the X-Men title with Chris Claremont, which came to an end in late ’80 (#144, cover date March 1981). Picking up Fantastic Four with #232 (July 1981 cover, released circa March), Byrne took what is popularly called a “Back to Basics” approach that he favored, stripping away all the excess subplots and characters and oddball permutations of the book and the team within, scaling it all back to just the family and their adventures. In essence, trying to bring it back to the Stan Lee/Jack Kirby days of the comic’s inception.

Byrne had actually worked on the book before, in the late 1970s/very early ’80s, from 209 to 221 (with a couple of fill-ins from other creators). He worked over Marv Wolfman scripts, and was inked by Joe Sinnott, but Byrne wrote the last couple of issues himself. I feel like this short precursor to his main run on the book is often overlooked, though its adherence to the slightly more overwrought tone of the title may separate it from the aforementioned “Back to Basics” approach from the later run. However, elements from the earlier books would be brought back…

…in particular, Terrax the Tamer, the fella what the FF is squaring off against on the cover of #259 up there. Here’s a better look at him from inside the comic, going by a slightly different moniker that didn’t stick around long:


Anyway, when I picked up this issue, I didn’t know nuthin’ about nuthin’ about any of the backstory, either given the comic’s story or what the history was with the artist behind the scenes. I mean, I knew who the FF were, I knew who Dr. Doom was, I had no idea who this Terrax, or Tyros, guy was, but he was clearly the bad guy. Look, I was 14, I’d read comics before, I knew how these things work and how to pick up what backstory I needed to catch up with what was going on.

But I think overall I was more taken with the overall…grounded (relatively speaking) tone of Marvel I was experiencing here. My superhero fandom, since I started picking up comics on the regular basis, rather than just piecemeal as I could cajole my parents into picking one up for me on an occasional basis, was mostly DC Comics. They had a lighter, more fantasy-oriented tone to most of the titles I was reading, but this Fantastic Four comic went a long way to establishing that these characters existed in a more representative world. That they had complex inner lives and relatable problems aside from whatever that issue’s particular plot contrivances inspired.

Just…just look at this panel of the Thing in the back seat of a cab. Just a dude sittin’ and thinkin’ and Byrne spent a good amount of page space giving us character:


Not that DC wasn’t approaching storytelling in a similar way, but it just didn’t have the frisson that one panel of Ben Grimm in a cab did.

Fantastic Four #259 turned out to be my gateway into the series, and into John Byrne’s work as a whole. But before I expanded too far into his other endeavors, I had what amounted to a couple of years’ worth of back issues I had to acquire in order to catch myself up on what would quickly become one of my favorite new comics. How that went, and what new-to-me character I found there and became obsessed about, I’ll discuss in the next installment of this series.

My Fantastic Four-ay: Prologue.

I’m not sure what my actual first issue of Fantastic Four was. I know I certainly encountered it as a younger child, having the vague memory of reading a 1970s-era issue at my cousin’s house. I know I definitely read (and owned) a copy of Marvel Two-in-One #18 when it was new, or close to, so that was very likely my introduction to the delicate sensibilities of a certain Mr. Grimm.

Eventually I would encounter the Origins of Marvel Comics paperback in the local library, possibly in the late-ish ’70s, which not only gave me my crash course on what the FF were about, but got me up to speed on several other Marvel characters to boot.

When I was reading comics in the ’70s, while I did get a superhero comic from time to time (like the aforementioned lightly-terrifying issue of Marvel Two-in-One), I mostly gravitated towards other topics. I read Disney comics, I enjoyed Pink Panther, I’d get the occasional sci-fi or horror comic somehow (like this comic with a worrisome sci-fi story from Denny O’Neil and Tom Sutton), that sort of thing. When I did get superhero comics, I primarily angled myself at DC’s characters.

Obviously, if you’ve been following my site for any period of time, you can guess that an early DC fave was Swamp Thing. I also got the occasional Superman or Green Lantern comic, or that one Superboy giant with the Legion of Super-Heroes. Oh, and all the digest reprints, and so on and so forth.

I would get the occasional Marvel superhero book, and even had a brief subscription to Amazing Spider-Man around issue #200, to fill out the rest of my subscription to Pizazz, which had been cancelled shortly after I started getting them in the mail. But I wasn’t a regular follower of any of them…mostly it would just be one issue here and there, if I had a particular need to read a new comic and I already had all the DCs I wanted from the latest shipments to the newsstands.

It was sometime in ’83 when I started making a more concentrated effort to follow certain Marvel titles, like Incredible Hulk, or Uncanny X-Men. But I remembered liking the Thing from those long-ago comics I read in the ’70s, and picked up a copy of this:


Given that my first issue of Incredible Hulk also featured the title character fighting other superheroes, maybe there was a specific attraction about such an event that attracted me to those issues. Regardless, I enjoyed this comic quite a bit, having a definitely different look ‘n’ feel from the DCs I’d been buying, and kept on buying more Marvels.

It’s not like Marvel replaced DC in my comic buying habits. I still predominately bought DC superhero comics. But I made room in my budget for more Marvel titles, including, eventually, Fantastic Four.

It was also about this time I started to discover that most peculiar of retail outlets, the “comic book store.” My first visit to one was well out of town, a place called Comic Book Nook in Simi Valley, which I’d found out about via a newspaper ad with a couple for so-and-so off the price of a back issue. However, a schoolmate of mine clued me into a place by the name of “Ralph’s Comic Corner” in the much closer city of Ventura, which is where, in short order, the greater percentage of my comics custom would be applied. (And I would also get a job there a few years later, leading to where I’m at now, but that’s another story.)

It was at Ralph’s where I could not only get the new comics usually a week or two ahead of the newsstands, but I could also delve deep into the back issues and fill in holes in my reading, picking up comics I long ago missed on the newsstands, or filling in runs of newer comics I’d just started. Like, you know, a lot of those Marvel comics that I just started picking up, which, unlike many of their DC counterparts, were a little more continuity-focused with more ongoing subplots and such. Reading the past history could often enhance the experience future stories, versus a Superman story that would exist in a vacuum separate from other Superman stories, and certainly other DC comics.

So I don’t recall where I started, exactly, with John Byrne’s run on the Fantastic Four from this period, but I absolutely used my access to the comic shop’s back issue bins to work my way back to the beginning of his stint on the title. That may very well be the first time I did such a thing with a comic book series I was following…not just going back a couple of issues to get the start of the current storyline, or working my way back to an actual #1, but liking a creator’s work on a specific title enough to get all the issues that creator did.

And reading that run of Fantastic Four started me on an on-again/off-again journey of reading that title, one that continues to even now and the great work being done by Ryan North and Humberto Ramos. But before I get to there, I’m going to start back here, and talk about what it was that grabbed my attention about Byrne’s tenure on Fantastic Four. And after that, what did and did not keep me following Marvel’s First Family over the succeeding decades.

This will be an intermittent series of entries on this site, probably at least one a week. I certainly hope you follow along, and I look forward to your comments on your favorite FF stories and why you read, or maybe didn’t read, the title.

Using the “FF” abbreviation is going to be confusing if I keep talking about these comics.


I thought I’d mention the fact that I’ve been reading/rereading over the last several weeks Fantastic Four of the last few…decades, as it turns out. My project started with reading, for the first time, the Tom DeFalco/Paul Ryan run of the early ’90s.

I’d read the Byrne run, stuck around a bit during the Englehart run (but dropped the book before the “John Harkness” stuff started), came back for Simonson, then dropped it again ’til the Waid/Wieringo run and skipping to the Millar run, then I think I was off ’til Hickman came on, and I’ve been following the book ever since.

Boy, that’s confusing to figure out. Especially since, given Marvel’s recent publishing shenanigans, Fantastic Four gets relaunched over and over again with new #1s. But anyway, like I was saying, I started off by reading the DeFalco/Ryan books, which I hadn’t read but was always intrigued by the “what the hell is going on in this book?” feeling I’d get whenever processing these issues at the shop:


It is overall a fun run of comics, just a solid superhero book that, as I saw someone observe, tried to an FF that wasn’t necessarily duplicative of the classic Stan Lee/Jack Kirby run. And overall I think it was successful, bringing in Reed’s father as bit of a potstirrer, introducing Lyja the Skrull as Johnny’s sorta love interest (that’s a long story I won’t be getting into here), plenty of parallel universe happenings, lots of warnings of impending doom (like that cover above), and so on.

And for all the different directions the stories go during this run, by the time this iteration of the Fantastic Four comes to an end in issue #416 (the “last” of the original series), all the various subplots are pretty much tied up (aside, I think, from a lead-in to a then-ongoing X-Men “Onslaught” crossover, but close enough).

After reading that run, I decided to keep going and reading FFs that I either hadn’t read yet or hadn’t read in a while. I wasn’t being a completist about it, as I did skip the “Heroes Reborn” business and then the Chris Claremont-written relaunch that followed. I also jumped over the Waid/Wieringo run since I had reread that not terribly long ago.

I don’t know that you need to hear every thought about every run on the book I either revisited or visited for the first time. I may address these in further posts, but I wanted to note a couple of things.

One, reading (most of) thirty years of Fantastic Four over a relatively short period of time makes you realize just how much is crammed into a fictional history of a book like this. As you read these one issue per month over the decades, you don’t question just how much was supposed to have happened in their lives over an in-universe span of, maybe, a decade or so. Like, how many times has the Baxter Building blown up? Every few weeks, maybe? Or when Johnny was “dead” for two years, but the kids hadn’t seemed to age two years in the meantime? This is stuff you really shouldn’t try to think about.

Two, speaking of ages, Reed and Sue’s daughter Valeria is kind of all over the map. She starts off as a toddler, gets revealed to be super-intelligent, and then once she’s running around with the team her age seems to begin to flucuate. It’s during the Hickman run, I believe, that her age is specifically pinned down as “three years old.” Though, as additional creative. teams come and go, she seems to be aged up to about…7 or 8, maybe? I think she’s older still in the current run. I know, trying to get children’s ages consistent in endless narratives like this is a quick way to madness, and besides, they’ve been going through this with their son Franklin for decades now. Just thought I’d mention that.

Three, I posted that specific Fantastic Four comic at the top of the post because I had totally forgotten that James Robinson had written the book for a time, around 2014-5. Got his own #1 and everything. And I even read it at the time. I suppose I can be excused for this, as I was opening my shop around then, but still, this book had been lost to my memory.

I’ll see if I can cook up any more observations about the FFs I’ve read in future posts. I will point out that I didn’t read the “Heroes Reborn” stuff, or the Claremont-written relaunch, so I’ll take suggestions as to whether or not I should tackle those.

I went out of my way to not use the phrase “here’s the Thing.”

[SPOILERS for Fantastic Four: First Steps ahead]

There are a couple of very specific details I appreciated about the newest Fantastic Four movie.

First, the film avoided the usual character tropes of having Ben Grimm mope over being a huge rocky monster, or Johnny Storm being immature and irresponsible. He’s still impulsive, but never seemingly in a way that makes the rest of the family kinda roll their eyes and think “not again.”

That the movie starts with the FF having been around for four years, we can assume a lot of this behavior may have already run its course. Not that Ben is any happier about being the Thing, but he’s clearly dealing with it a little more easily now.

Second, that the idea (pushed hard by John Byrne during his legendary FF run) that the Invisible Woman is the most powerful member of the team. Not just in terms of literal superpowers (though single-handedly pushing back Galactus is certainly an expression of that), but in terms of leadership ability (defending herself against an angry crowd, negotiating peace with the Mole Man).

Third — speaking of Galactus, I think they pretty much nailed the character, after being disappointed the first time they almost had him in a movie. We wanted a giant dude in Kirby gear, we got a giant guy in Kirby gear, stomping his way through New York.

Fourth, the whole portion of the film where the FF were all, “well, better hop into the spaceship and travel through hyperspace to where all these planets are disappearing.” Not something I was expecting, a full-on sci-fi epic with the team wandering through a giant, unknowable landscape to meet a menacing demigod. It’s a weird, strangely modern/futuristic setting in the midst of all this ’60s-esque aesthetic.

Okay, I can’t count any higher than four, so I’ll mention a couple of other things, like how early on in the film we only saw quick snippets/clips of Reed Richards stretching, so I figured the stretching effects tech hadn’t yet advanced so far beyond where it was for the previous movies. But then we get plenty of it later on in the film, and the stretchiness looks fine.

I think what I liked most of all was the overall look ‘n’ feel of the film, which of course I’m sure wasn’t missed by anyone. More than just the previously stated ’60s-style aesthetic, it just seemed like a…gentler film, not so loud or abrasive as other Marvel movies could be. It was simply fun, a comic book movie that didn’t shy away from its origins, name-checked several of the FF’s bad guys, and straight up showed us at least one of the Red Ghost’s Super-Apes.

The one concession to the Marvel Cinematic Universe at large (which you don’t need to watch as homework for this film) is the opening caption telling you this is “Earth-883” or whatever the number was in the Multiverse. (EDIT: I am reminded in the comments that it is Earth-828, AKA 8/28 as in Jack Kirby’s birthday!) (The main Marvel Earth in the films is 616, same as the main Earth in the Marvel comics, though if I recall correctly the Cinematic Earth in the Marvel Comics Multiverse is given a different number, while its inhabitants still call it 616…anyway, I have a nosebleed now.)

It shall come as no surprise that eventually the twain shall meet and the FF will cross over to the main Marvel Movie-verse…we’ve seen something pointing to this already as a post-credits scene in ThunderboltsAsterisk. Trying to merge the FF’s storytelling sensibilities with the somewhat sharper-edged primary MCU would be a shame…it feels like the former would have to fit the latter, costing some of the appeal.

I don’t know, we’ll see what eventually happens, since we’re promised as the end of the film that the FF will return in Avengers: Doomsday (you know, the one where Superman dies) due out in 2026, maybe. I hope that doesn’t preclude the possibility of more standalone FF movies in the future…I think we as a people are owed an Impossible Man adventure.

What sound does the Swamp Thing Signal Watch make?

So I received a nice surprise in the mail on Tuesday…a postcard from Steve Lieber advertising the forthcoming hardcover collection of the Jimmy Olsen series he with with Matt Fraction:


If that cover seems familiar, here’s why.

On the back of the postcard is info about the book, plus a special handdrawn message from Mr. Lieber his own self:


A closer look:


Very nice. Made my day getting this card. And, if y’all haven’t read that Jimmy Olsen series yet, this is as good a way as any to check it out. It’s a great run, very funny and imaginative, and one of my favorites.

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In other surprises-shipped-to-the-store news, I received last Friday an envelope from Marvel marked “DO NOT OPEN UNTIL 6/16” so I went ahead and opened it up immediately because c’mon guys, I don’t have time for this “do not open until Christmas” nonsense. (And it’s “616 Day” for reasons discussed in the links I put in this post the other day.)

Anyway, inside was a note from Marvel saying they’re trying to get 6/16 to be “Marvel Day” or whatever, and they’re kicking it off with some new, branded variant covers for recent Marvels, like this one for X-Men #15:


So anyway, I put those out for sale on Monday, but not put out for sale was this item, a set of Fantastic Four pins:


Pretty cool, thinks me. And as someone who likes pins, I’m just gonna hang onto these, thank you very much.

I think future 616 Days may be better served by some kind of freebie comic instead of just “collectibles” to be marked up. (And if they’re going to ship pins like these with comics in the future, they might want to do a better job making sure the clasps on the back don’t get crushed into the covers of those special variants when the envelope containing everything is at the bottom of a box with piles of books on top of it.)

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Okay, we kinda lost the thread a tiny bit with the Final ’90s Countdown, in which the intention was to only cover titles that began in 1990 or later.

However, this have resulted in a lot of hair-splitting and questionable decision-making and whathaveyou and sometimes something slips through the cracks, like 1989’s The Mask.

So, there will be some sidebars to the Final ’90s Countdown with some “Honorary ’90s Comics” — titles like Eightball and From Hell, all technically beginning in the very late ’80s but are very associated with the ’90s. Look, I’m flying by the seat of my pants here, but these comics should be discussed, even if they were disqualified from the initial vote.

It’s a little bit of a mess, but at least we get to talk about a bunch of good comics!

Doomsday +2.


Yes, I know it’s the second post in a row this week leading off with a big ol’ pic of the Red Hulk, but given this is the first Red Hulk comic on the stands since, I think, Red She-Hulk ended back in 2013, I think I’m justified. It’s a tie-in to the “One World Under Doom” crossover, which is one of the few Marvel events I’m actually reading and not just kinda inferring what’s happening in the larger Marvelverse when these things creep into series I follow (like when “Blood Hunt” poked into my series).

Of course the reason this series exists is that said crimson behemoth is currently appearing on a slowly diminishing number of movie screens near you in Captain America: Brave New World. I’m very curious how the comic is going to do, given I haven’t had a whole lot of advance demand in this at the store, and I don’t know if the film is generating enough interest amongst the Wednesday regulars to get them to grab it off the shelf.

I’ve red…er, read the comic, it’s fine, it’s very obviously Part One of the story, with not as much Red Hulk action as I’d have expected. But it sets up the character’s involvement in Doctor Doom’s plans, and we get a few surprising cameos, and I’m happy to stick around and see where it’s going. The Doom event has attracted some good sales on the released tie-ins so on, so that may be what gets people trying out the title more than the Hulk his own self.

Side note: when the Red Hulk was originally introduced, the big mystery was “just who is the Red Hulk?” and my somewhat bonkers guess was that it was Bruce Banner’s paramour Betty Ross. Who it turned out actually to be was mildly disappointing, but I suppose it was no surprise. Still haven’t seen the film, but it’s pretty clear that nobody’s going in wondering who becomes Red Hulk. …Still think my idea was better.


Continues to be a complete delight, as Al Ewing channels his inner Bob Haney and makes this the most groovily-script comic on the stands. I had a good grin on my face through the entire issue, and even released a Sensible Chuckle on more than one occasion. Artist Steve Lieber ain’t no slouch either. This issue is a good focus on the relationship between Metamorpho and his boss Simon Stagg’s unfrozen caveman assistant Java, between whom no love is usually lost but find themselves just kinda stuck with each other anyway. Anyway, the book’s a blast, you should read it.


Another “One World Under Doom” event book, in which we get a look at life under Doom’s thumb, and it is very, very hard not to read the descriptions of that life, the discussions between characters about it, and so on, as an allegory for Trump, which can only be intentional. Politics, in my comics? Why, yes, as they’ve pretty much always have been since the beginning of time, but if you’re worried that it’s heavy-handed, nah, take it easy. No explicit references, but if you read this, you won’t be able to help but connect the dots.

But anyway, what I’m enjoying a lot about Ryan North’s run of scripting these books is the various grouping of characters that he does with the relatively small-ish main cast. This issue we get the Thing, Dr. Sue Storm (and I do love that North is very big of reminding us of that “Dr.”), and former member She-Hulk in a very satisfying done-in-one story that doesn’t let the crossover get in the way.


As always, whichever of the Absolute books I’ve read most recently becomes my favorite of the imprint, as the initial storyline of this title comes to its conclusion. While the main plot seems relatively simplistic (Wonder Woman helphs Man’s World fight off a giant monster), there’s a lot of solid backstory and characterization and just plain pretty art and entertaining dialogue that you get your buck’s worth with each issue. In fact, every issue of these Absolute series is dense on art and story and giving you good value. I hope this continues on in the new Absolute titles coming in the next few months.

Speaking of which, I’m hoping DC doesn’t go into overkill with the additional spin-offs for this imprint, chasing those strong and continuing sales the first three series have experienced. The fear of course is The New Thing replacing The Old Thing, and I recall one writer of a Marvel book wondering why he’s doing a regular Marvel Universe title when the “Ultimate” version was being published concurrently. The original Ultimate titles I’m speaking of, by the way, not the current iteration. Now we know what happened with the original Ultimate books, so I don’t think there’s any real danger of one supplanting the other. That said, I still don’t want too many and have them biting into each other’s sales, or into the sales of the main line.