“Making a splash…of BLOOD!” I mean.

§ November 8th, 2024 § Filed under indies § 14 Comments

Hi pals…gonna continue trying to have some fun here on the site, but wanted to acknowledge that, well, things didn’t quite turn out as we hoped here in the States. It’s going to be rough, especially for women, minorities, and the LBGQTIA+ community, so let’s all look out for each other and do our best to get through this.

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So anyway, let’s shift gears a bit and talk about EXTREME VIOLENCE, at least as represented by a specific indie comic from the 1980s.


I’m sure I came across references to Grips in the “Coming Attractions” section of the Amazing Heroes ‘zine at the time, but my earliest specific memory of the title is from a comic book convention I attended in the mid-1980s.

This was at a monthly Los Angeles comic con, that had the usual assortment of Special Guests and upcoming movie presentations (inexplicably, my friends and I sat through a preview of the Garbage Pail Kids, for which members of our little group won a movie poster and free passes to see the film — which went unused, might I add). But there were also rows upon rows of dealer tables, and up and down the aisles there was a young gentleman, meandering equidistant from the displays on either side, calling out “Grips! Who’s got Grips! I’m looking for Grips!” over and over again.

And he wasn’t the only one. Well, okay, he was the only one doing specifically that, but I heard other folks asking dealers for Grips and talking about Grips and I believe I recall seeing copies of Grips on display there with very optimistic pricing.

Grips was not a comic I recalled seeing at my local comic shop (the same one I would be employed at a small handful of years later). I did ask my former boss the other day as i was prepping for this post if he carried it, and he said “absolutely,” noting that first series sold very well for him. I can only presume that I missed it on the shelf (or it sold out before I got to the shop for my weekly visit), or that it just didn’t register with me.

And I suspect it wouldn’t have registered with me, as, despite the fact that I was always looking at what small press comics were being offered, Grips did not appear to be up my alley.

Okay, okay…as the Firesign Theatre could’ve said, “What Am Grips, Anyway?” Well, the opinion I sort of formed way back when I first learned of it was that this was about a fella trying to out-Wolverine Wolverine, then the mainstream comics gold standard of A Violent Character. Look, he even had the claws an’ everything. The controversy-courting appeal of the title was its Extreme Violence, and if you don’t believe me, take the Overstreet Price Guide’s word for it:


That’s…kind of an unexpected bit of editorializing from Overstreet there, but when you get down to it that appears to be the main selling point of the comic. And was it violent? Sure, a bit…here’s a slightly disarming panel giving you a minor example of the gory delights within:


This, and other incidents in these early issues, are certainly more gruesome than what you’d find in your standard issue of a superhero comic (despite the companies sometimes giving it the ol’ college try), even if they look crude and amateurish today.

And, well, maybe “amateurish” is a little harsh, given that these are the early works of Tim Vigil, a artist who would achieve fame and/or notoriety for the highly detailed artwork for the violently and sexually explicit series Faust and a mildly less-explicit short run of Badger.

In fact, despite all the demand for the book back in the ’80s, it’s pretty much forgotten now. If it’s remembered at all, it’s remembered solely because it is early work by Vigil. Any high prices they may have commanded once upon a time have slipped away to nothing. Even the Hot Comics App has these as “Non-Keys” at a typical price of about three bucks apiece. (A look at eBay shows somewhat more adventurous pricing, and I suspect the truth is, as usual, somewhere in the middle.)

Speaking of pricing, my Bluesky pal Steve contributed some grist for the Grips mill here, as he was a collector of the title and offered this up for me:


That’s a price listing for the various Grips titles from the publisher, with stories ripped from today’s headlines, apparently. Issue #4 has “High Violence!” Another issue has “Grips infected w/AIDS!”

You may notice, if you looked closely, that there are ea whole lot more Grips comics in this price listing than in the Overstreet Price Guide scan I posted up there. Well, Overstreet only listed the first mini, probably because of the Vigil connection. Otherwise, the Guide tends to not bother with most books from the 1980s black and white boom era, when anyone who could hold a pencil and find his way to the local print shop put out a comic hoping to be the next Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. There was plenty of good stuff that came from the boom, but there was a whole lot of dreck as well, and Overstreet preferred to just not devote the space to it.

In the case of Grips, in addition to that initial four issue run, there was a second series sans Vigil that ran 12 issues, and 8 issue run of Gurps Adventures (which I totally want to be the “Kid-Friendly” version of Grips à la Batman Adventures, and the one-shot Grips Special. It was one of these later comics that got me on this whole Grips kick in the first place, what with a stray issue #7 from the second Grips run turning up in a collection the other day:


Would you like to see a page from the inside? Of course you would, why wouldn’t you:


To be completely honest, I’m very surprised there hasn’t been an attempted revival of Grips in all these years since it vanished off the stands. Of the output from Silver Wolf/Greater Mercury, Grips was the comic that made the biggest splash, despite it being mostly out of comic fans’ minds today.

It was a weird and crude book, one borne out of an exciting and interesting time when it seems like just about anyone could get a title out on the stands, unhampered by an editorial hand that would tell them “no.” I’m not going to sit here and tell you it was, y’know, “good,” but more power to the Silver Wolf/Greater Mercury folks for putting together this amateur press empire for however briefly it breathed.

And just because Internet Pal Steve sent these pics my way, here are a couple more comics from his collection, some Grips variants:


Collect ’em all, kids!

14 Responses to ““Making a splash…of BLOOD!” I mean.”

  • Oliver says:

    Definitely the kind of comic Ed Piskor would’ve praised, and I don’t mean that as a bad thing.

  • Matthew Murray says:

    I was reading a recent issue of the Bubbles comic zine and it had an interview with the editor for the Power Comics imprint (and YouTube channel) that (I think) Floating World Comics in Portland publishes.

    These are reprints/collections of weird old 1980s and 1990s black and white “outsider art” comics. Apocalypse 5,000, Earthman, New York City Outlaws, Jontar, and other titles I’ve never heard of. Kind of a fascinating imprint.

  • Sean Mageean says:

    @ Oliver

    There was a Cartoonist Kayfabe episode from several years ago in which Jim Rugg proudly displayed a Grips drawing he had done in homage to Tim Vigil.

    Also, it must be said, that even though Vigil’s Grips artwork was raw and crude it also had a bit of Golden Age-style appeal to it, in the tradition of the comic book art of Lou Fine or Frank Frazetta–and it was obvious that Vigil would become a breakout Outlaw Comics star.

    Additionally, it makes sense that someone in the ’80s would eventually do a more graphic interpretation of the damage a character with Wolverine-esque claws would actually inflict–and it isn’t pleasant to see. But the “Grim and Gritty” floodgates had been opened by that point.

    Lastly, if it hasn’t already been done, someone should reprint all of the Vigil Grips stories in a very graphic novel–just for the amazingly rendered artwork.

    @ Mike Sterling

    Will the next blog be about Faust …?

  • Thom H. says:

    C’mon — don’t tell me the first appearance of *Deathborg* isn’t still worth something.

    Seriously, I love that there’s always something out there I still haven’t heard of after more than 40 years of collecting comics.

  • Chris V says:

    I don’t know what “Dk Ass” in Grips’ Adventures #2 means, but I feel like it’s a shame that it was only valued at half of the “vs. Legions” issue.

  • Mikester says:

    Chris V – I think that’s “Dark Assassin,” but hoo boy decisions were made on that abbreviation.

  • Mikester says:

    Sean M – I don’t know if I’m quite ready for FAUSTTALK here on this site, beyond some minor retail stories regarding it. Couldn’t tell you a thing about the actual story, though I suppose the title “Faust” should be a clue in and of itself.

    Ooh, plus, there was a Faust movie! I’m sure it was as good as we’re all thinking.

  • LouReedRichards says:

    Thanks Mike. I appreciate you acknowledging the unfortunate events of the last week. Things were already bad here in deep red ‘Bama, but looks like it’s only get worse and worse, especially for the vulnerable populations you mentioned.

    Onto more “fun” stuff…
    Yeah, Grips was referenced quite often on Cartoonist Kayfabe; it’s not my cup o’ tea but Jim and Ed really loved it and Faust. They did a Faust video earlier this year where Grips came up.

    I’m not a fan of Vigil – different strokes and all. I first saw his work in Comic’s Scene (which seems odd in retrospect,) where he bragged about how the hacks at the big two could ink 3 pages a day and he spends 3 days inking a single page!
    I do think he was better than the image guys that came right after him, his work is waaaay too busy for me, but his lines at least make “sense”. That’s more than I can say for almost all of the Image guys.

    @Sean
    Good point about the golden age quality of Vigil’s artwork! Now that you mention it it does have a Lou Fine type quality to it. I never made that connection.

    Also: Sorry, meant to respond to your comment the other day about Byrne but realized I don’t have any of my old Marvel Team Ups. As usual your points were spot on.

  • LouReedRichards says:

    I promise, one day I’m going to post something that isn’t filled with spelling or punctuation errors! That won’t be today though!

  • Snark Shark says:

    “Child abuse issue”.

    I’m SURE that was handled with appropriate tact.

    “Another issue has “Grips infected w/AIDS!””

    So, he beat Shadowhawk to it!

    “it does have a Lou Fine type quality to it.”

    Lou Fine on Speed!

    Anyone know why he’s holding a bird on the cover of #2?

  • Snark Shark says:

    “Dark Assassin”.

    As opposed to all of those light, friendly assassins out there.

    “I don’t know if I’m quite ready for FAUSTTALK”.

    Please go ahead!

    Grips (is that the characters name? “Hey Grips! How are you today?”) really DOES look like a prototype for all of the image books that showed up several years after, esp. Youngblood & Shadowhawk.

  • LouReedRichards says:

    “Anyone know why he’s holding a bird on the cover of #2?”

    I’m not sure. When I look at it I just hear Roy Batty talking about attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.

    Hey! A call back to Mikes post earlier in the week!

  • Rob S says:

    Wow…! If I ever saw this book before, I’d blotted it from my memory. It’s completely not my cuppa tea, but even so, I don’t think I ever knew Tim Vigil did anything before Faust.

  • Snark Shark says:

    “Roy Batty”

    “All that cheap paper… with cheap printing… will be washed away, like tears in the rain. And then recycled.”

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