[NOTE: examination of John Byrne’s past work is meant solely in a critical and historical context, and is not meant as a condoning of any specific statements he has made or creative choices he has taken.]
So we’re still going to be talking about Fantastic Four #296, the triple-or-so-sized anniversary issue of the title. Last time I didn’t get much farther than the cover, and this time…well, the aheader I am, the behinder I get, because I was Googling around and discovered some heretofore unknown to me information. And it’s information I should have realized was out there.
As previously discussed, John Byrne’s departure from the series was very sudden and apparently unexpected, as it appears a combination of office politics and burnout (so to speak) on creating the stories themselves is what caused him to self-remove from those chores. However, it didn’t dawn on me that maybe he let slip some of his intended plans for future stories here and there, like in the Amazing Heroes Preview Special an’ such.
And in fact, he did briefly chat ahout said comics there, but he talked about the same things in greater length in Marvel Age #37.

As I said, I happened to be Googling around and caught someone referencing this very issue of Marvel Age, noting that Byrne revealed his own plans for the upcoming anniversary issue. Thus, did I seek out this sacred tome (i.e. asked a pal for a copy) and dug into the long-hidden secrets of this lost comic.
Or maybe not so lost. We’ll see.
A production note: my source on these pages was relatively low resolution, so I doubled the size, just in case you were wondering why everything’s so fuzzy and pixelated. By which I mean these scans, not me.
This is all from an article entitled “Marvel 25th Anniversary,” written by Kurt Busiek, which surprised me just a tad. Within, creators are asked what they’ve got planned for their books for The Big Occasion, and that includes a certain Mr. Byrne, who has plans for #296, big plans indeed, oh yes.

Now it doesn’t specify in the article whether the “guest list” means surprise character cameos in the story, or guest artists helping to fill out this monster of a book. Regardless, let’s see what the story will entail.

No, Byrne didn’t just invent Ultimate Comics. Basically what he’s saying (as he explains more in the bit I trimmed off) is that the 20th anniversary book was more a standalone adventure, concerned primarily with itself, while this 25th anniversary book would contain more “fannish” callbacks and references. Like, for example, an autographed photo of the Infant Terrible on an endtable, you know, like that.

Now here’s where it gets interesting. Byrne’s story is called “Return to Monster Island,” in which we go back to the Mole Man’s hangout from that very first Fantastic Four adventure in 1961. And what’s interesting about that is what does in fact happen in the published, Byrne-free #296, plotted by the then editor-in-chief of Marvel, Big Jim Shooter, with the scripting credited to the FF’s co-creator Stan Lee.
The noted retelling of the origin also happens in the published #296, but it appears as a reminiscence of the Thing’s. Also, the visit to Central City does not appear.

Now this sounds interesting, and probably would have made for a fascinating visual, with seawater just pouring into a giant open wound in the Earth. But again, not in the published comic, as when the FF reaches Monster Island, it is still intact.

That would have been a wild twist on that ancient detail, which…you know, why not? It’s not like all those giant diamonds played too heavily in any future plot points, beyond maybe emphasizing their literally-blinding brilliance. This gives them some measure of purpose, and their transformative powers sets up what is the likely resolution to a certain in-story problem:

First, yes, in the printed #296 the Thing had also come to Monster Island to hang out with other monsters, but at this point he just looked like the normal orange rocky monster he always was. (Only decked out in a jumpsuit and googles just like his new best pal, the Mole Man.)
In Byrne’s version, it seems pretty clear that the solution to the Thing’s new drastic, presumably physical, changes, would be exposure to that diamond goo. It would turn him to his “true self,” which wold mean (in the uninteresting resolution) regaining his human form as Ben Grimm, or (in the more compelling, psychological twist) becoming his true form as the real Thing, the blue-eyed idol of millions. That would certainly say a lot about what the Thing thought of himself, and, done right, couild have been a swell reveal.

In the published follow-up issues, the She-Hulk situation isn’t really addressed right away, as we’re more focused on the Thing’s mental state and his depression over The State of Stuff. It does come to a head with She-Hulk and the Thing having bit of a tussle in #299, but clearly circumstances at this point have departed from Byrne’s plans.

…or have we, as the published #300 does in fact have a marriage, between Johnny Storm and the Thing’s former girlfriend, Alicia Masters (or is it? More on that later!). Byrne’s comment on “whether those will come to pass” leaves it perhaps open to some kind of avoiding the marriage in his version of #300, but that’s hard to say. (That comment also refers to his tease of maybe finishing the long-uncompleted “Last Galactus Story,” which…well, it’s not too late!)
It’s kind of a no-brainer that going back to the setting of the very first Fantastic Four adventure could be the basis of a Special Anniversary Issue. As such, it makes sense that Shooter would stick with that basic outline for the story. (Plus, “Return to Monster Island” is blurbed at the end of #295.) It makes a very FF-kind of sense that the Thing, feeling alienated and alone, would go to Monster Island to be with other “monsters” like him. I’m sure Byrne had run all his plans for the issue, and once Byrne left, the idea was “well, let’s just kinda stick with what he was planning.” He probably should have had some kind of notation on the main page, at the very least as “inspiration.”

Maybe Jack Kirby, too, but at least get gets a mention in the afterword Stan supposedly wrote in the back of the comic. Ah well.
It was strange to see this alternate take on what the anniversary issue could have been, even if it wasn’t, at least on the most basic level, all that different from what we actually got. And what we actually got…will be discussed in the next installment! Finally!
It seems like “John Byrne’s X-Men: Elsewhen (Volume 1 of 3)” could be an interesting follow up topic to discuss. Doesn’t it see general release this week through Abrams Books?
For that matter, a John Byrne’s “Fantastic Four: Elsewhen” could be a fun project, if he ever felt like picking up where he left off with the FF. And can we petition him to complete “The Last Galactus Story?”
It’s fascinating to think that the FF/Marvel Universe was only 25 years old in 1986, yet it still managed to function like a fairly well-oiled machine (“No Prizes” not withstanding). Now it seems to have become a tangled mess of constant reboots and rehashes and regurgitated plots and reconstituted characters and such.
Kurt Busiek remarking on the FF exploring the unknown really makes me want to see a Marvel/DC limited series set during the ’60s drawn by Steve Rude. One issue could feature a FF/Challengers of the Unknown crossover adventure–and maybe cameos by Namor and The Sea Devils. Another issue could feature the original X-Men meeting the original Doom Patrol. And a third issue could have the founding members of the JLA meeting the founding Avengers plus Captain America.
“It’s fascinating to think that the FF/Marvel Universe was only 25 years old in 1986…”
At the time of the 25th anniversary, I thought of 1961 as a million years ago. But now that another 40(!) years have passed, my mind is boggled that I was buying comics so *close* to the beginning of the Marvel superhero universe.
Byrne definitely should have been given some credit for the story in the anniversary issue, but I have a feeling Shooter wasn’t thinking of him too fondly right then. I really like the melted diamond detail. Too bad that didn’t make it in.
@Thom H.
I agree with both of your observations. At the very least Shooter could have had John Byrne’s name included for “plot assistance” or “pacing” or something. Or, if Shooter had wanted to be snarky, he could have listed Byrne’s name along with: “Fantastic idea” as a side commentary on Byrne bailing on the book.
But Byrne would have his revenge on Shooter, by way of Pittsburgh, in Starbrand.
I think it would have been fun if the Blue Diamond made a cameo appearance in the diamond mines to help the FF thwart Mole Man.
Also, where did the last 40 years go?!? We need a comic book series where a middle aged comic nerd escapes back to the Bronze Age of comics–or else enters into a Bronze Age of comics alternate reality. Or maybe Paul Thomas Anderson just needs to make a nostalgic film set in the late ’70s/early ’80s about some comics collectors and their dreams.
I’ll sometimes be talking with a younger fan and have to stop and realize the same thing, I think my first Marvel comic was DAREDEVIL#4.
Usually it is more like explaining the 60s-80s with the 90s and 00s. The era where it seemed like the 70s was a grey area. A bad example is someone bring up X X’s SANDMAN and I had to mention the Kirby SANDMAN from the mid-70s. The question had to do with if X X’s version was grounded in the DCU proper.
You can read the entire article in question here:
https://kwakk.info/ma/?s=return%20to%20monster%20island&i=MA-037-014&p=2
Okay, so the article immediately after that “Marvel 25th Anniversary” one in Marvel Age is about “Young Astronauts,” a series that never came out that I hadn’t heard of before. This write up is interesting: http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix9/youngastronauts.html
Some more end of Byrne’s FF run stuff, this is from Tom DeFalco’s “Comics Creators on Fantastic Four”, which was published in 2005, so Byrne’s interview is nearly 20 years later, but these were his recollections of where he was going (from pages 108 and 109).
Last issue, plus the plot to 294 and “special thanks” in 295. DeFalco asks, “Why did you leave Fantastic Four?”
Byrne: “I hit the wall creatively (and had been offered the Superman reboot). I had written an overview for my next several issues, but the editor, Mike Carlin, started getting an awful lot of flak from Jim Shooter after I agreed to do Superman. I was kind of bored with doing the FF and so was no longer doing my best work. To make Mike’s life easier, I left a little earlier than planned.”
DeFalco: “Was there stuff you planned to do with FF that you never got around to?”
Byrne: “Tons. I had the next year all worked out when I left. It was a whole year of Dr Doom versus Kristoff. It was called ‘Doom War’ and there were a lot of subplot things; like Sharon Selleck was going to be much more prominent than she ultimately got to be.”
@Bryan
Well, it sounds like John Byrne should definitely consider inking a deal with Marvel to do a “John Byrne’s Fantastic Four: Elsewhen,” based on that old interview with DeFalco that you unearthed. And if Byrne doesn’t feel like doing all of the artwork himself, perhaps he could get Jerry Ordway and Al Gordon on board to help out.
Byrne did wind up using his idea about the Valley of Diamonds being melted down and used to transform someone into their true self in Sensational She-Hulk #33.