I’m pretty sure the transitional phrase “Speaking of Swamp Thing” is implied in most of my posts.

§ February 28th, 2012 § Filed under swamp thing § 20 Comments

So reader Bryan was playing around with that “Then…KOREA” panel from yesterday, and sent me this:

Very nice. …But then it got me to thinking that, sooner or later, someone’s gonna attempt a M*A*S*H “reboot” and what a bad idea that would be. I’m depending on you young folks to keep that from happening should someone attempt it after I’m gone.

Also, Rich Handley, fan of both apes and swamps, sent along a link to his own Swamp Thing-ified version of the “Then…KOREA” transition, which you can see by clicking on this little ol’ link here.

Speaking of Swamp Thing, over here in this John Byrne Forum message thread someone posted a commissioned sketch Byrne did of Swampy ‘n’ Abby. Also in that thread, Byrne relates a couple of stories about not being allowed to use Swamp Thing in comics he was working on.

As Dave pointed out to me on the Twitter regarding the one incident that occurred during Byrne’s initial Action run in the ’80s, Byrne blames the Vertigo editors despite that imprint’s existence being several years away, so the Vertigo/DC editorial split wouldn’t have been the excuse to keep Byrne from using Swamp Thing in a Superman team-up. Interesting that, as it’s told, the Big Name Creator DC essentially put in charge of the entire Superman franchise at the time couldn’t use whatever character he wanted from the DC Universe, but the New Guy Writing the Weird Horror Book could use a Superman character (Lex Luthor) over the Big Name Creator’s protests. …Perhaps the first stirrings of the coming DC/Vertigo split, or just favored treatment of one creator over another as Byrne says…who knows. But it’s certainly an interesting story about that period of Swamp Thing’s history I hadn’t heard before.

(If you want to read about that specific usage of Luthor in the Swamp Thing comics which Byrne objected to, I discussed it briefly a few years back.)

In other Swamp Thing news, there’s an interview with Swamp-writer Scott Snyder where he hypes Swamp Thing’s arrival (finally!) in the new Swamp Thing series. Also noted is the return of “a really classic villain” from Swamp Thing’s past, not named by Snyder, but really, aside from Arcane, how many other “classic villains” does Swamp Thing have? Jason Woodrue, the Floronic Man? General Sunderland? M’nagalah? God help us, Sabre? …Seriously, if this ends up being the return of Nathan Ellery, well, you know what’s gonna happen then?

20 Responses to “I’m pretty sure the transitional phrase “Speaking of Swamp Thing” is implied in most of my posts.”

  • Tim O'Neil says:

    The answer is Cranius. The answer is ALWAYS Cranius.

  • Rich Handley says:

    THe giant flowers?

  • “Because YOU Asked For IT! The NEW Swamp Thing”

    Don’t blame me, I didn’t ask for it….

  • OOh! OOH! I KNOW!

    One of Swamp Thing’s earliest foes = FIRE!
    Well, fiery explosions.
    OK… Fiery explosions with chemical compounds.

    See? Because when Alec Holland… oh, nevermind… the answer is always Cranius.


  • Mike Zeidler says:

    God help me, but I would be intrigued by a new M*A*S*H, set in say, Afghanistan. My initial thought would be towards an Army version of “Scrubs,” but then it would just be an Army version of “Scrubs.”

    Although, looking back, “Scrubs” was pretty M*A*S*H-like, before Alan Alda got ahold of it in the later years. (M*A*S*H, not Scrubs)

  • Randal says:

    Hey, MASH itself is a reboot, you know.

    There, mind blown. You’re welcome.

  • Mikester says:


    Randal – It’s sort of a double-reboot, if you include the novels. (Or maybe the novels are, like, Earth-2 M*A*S*H, since they followed their own continuity. …There’s a thing I didn’t think I’d be typing today.)

  • pizzapotamus says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Hospital What’s really cute is they set it in 2006 for fear that the war in Afghanistan might end.

  • swamp mark says:

    Could be Connie Sunderland.Not exactly “classic”,though.Crainius would be cool but I’m hoping for Arcane and his new baby.

  • Rich Handley says:

    The thing is, Connie reformed during the Mark Millar run.

  • Nat Gertler says:

    They should reboot AfterMASH! Besides, I’ve already done up MASH for the new generation: http://natstv.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/finally-the-perfect-mash-up/

  • Anonymous says:

    Now that Swamp Thing will actually appear in the new ST book, maybe Mike Sterling will actually read it instead of just collecting it for the covers!

  • Anonymous says:

    Speaking of big green comic book monsters, just two more days until Incredible Hulk #1 (1962) turns 50…..

  • Anonymous says:

    “Then…Korea started aiming their nukes at Ralph’s in the Ventura environs…”

  • swamp mark says:

    Actually,Connie went bad again in the Un-men.Well,she screwed over Crainius so maybe that doesn’t count.And if I follow it correctly,none of this is relevent anymore,right?It sure takes some getting used to when they drop all the history.

  • Anonymous says:

    Snyder says all of Swamp Thing history counts (including Un-Men). However, the DCnU is a brand-new universe (Earth-0, not Earth-1) so basicly nothing whatsover counts in ST until Snyder says so. So Snyder and Lemire can do no wrong (or right) with Swamp Thing and Animal Man.

  • Rich Handley says:

    So far, I’m very, very underwhelmed by Swamp Thing volume 5.

  • Cej says:

    I have a theory (and please point out the 373 times in which I’m wrong), but I think we’re less likely to see reboots of franchises that are very closely tied to strong, identifiable actors. It would be difficult to get another workable Columbo, Magnum P.I., or Murder She Wrote. (Maybe it’s limited to mysteries…). TV MASH was certainly a reboot of the movie, but who could play Hawkeye after Alda?

    Here, let me start the list of counter-examples:
    1. Star Trek

  • pizzapotamus says:

    Cej: Does Kojak count? He got a failed reboot in 2005 on USA.

  • Andrew Leal says:

    Yeah, the question is a “workable” one. “Hawaii 5-0” probably has legs but Jack Lord wasn’t really the strong identifiable actor, compared to Alda, Savalas… The “Kolchak” remake, of a series which has a cult following for many reasons but *mainly* because of Darren McGavin who *was* the character (and in the two great TV movies preceding it) bombed so badly only a handful of episodes aired. It was nothing Kolchak fans wanted to watch, and at the same time had no real distinct identity of its own. Going the reverse route, since TV MASH was brought up, “Odd Couple” worked as both a movie and a series due to strong identifiable actors in both versions and yet who brought distinct variations to the roles (plus, you know, the theme song was great). And “The Fugitive” movie worked because, well, Harrison Ford, but so did the remake series (which also didn’t last long enough, really) because it was the *concept* rather than the actor or even character (a man wrongly pursued for the murder of his own wife, with a dogged detective behind him, heck it’s a reworking of “Les Miserables” and the name doesn’t really matter. The “One-armed man” was pretty iconic as a concept though, with shades of Treasure Island’s warnings of the one-legged man.)

    The 70s saw a one-season Perry Mason revival, a character rooted in literature (unlike most of the others discussed) and yet there too the identification with Raymond Burr and co. was too strong (strong enough to fuel the revival in the 80s and 90s with Burr and Barbara Hale back as Della). Same thing could be said of “Rockford Files.”

    Really, best bet might be something that had a good concept but flopped because of weak or bland casting. I can’t think of anything right now…

    Hmmm… is it too late for a TV series starring Michael Chiklis as “Sluggo Smith, Man About Town”? (The thought of any child actors embodying the majesty of Sluggo is anethema, but Chiklis sounds promising… Not sure about Nancy though, and a suitably saucy older woman as Fritzi Ritzi… Maybe set it in New Orleans or some other seemy yet glamorous burg… Possibly territory disputes with the Lulu clan… Gah, my mind is off in odd directions today.)